Extended Facebook Conversation with an Atheist

The following is an extended Facebook conversation I had online. Someone had asked on a community Facebook page “If you could ask God any one question and you knew He’d give you an answer right now, what would you ask?” I answered many of the responses in that thread, but here is an ongoing discussion that I thought I would post here on my blog for the benefit of those who are in similar conversations:

(Him) Why do you punish people for your own incompetent?

(Me) God wants all people to be saved and to reach repentance. That is clear from the Bible. Many people, however, don’t seem to want to be saved for whatever reason… So God will not force them into heaven against their will. C.S. Lewis said “There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, Thy will be done, and those to whom God says, in the end, Thy will be done. All that are in Hell, choose it. Without that self-choice there could be no Hell.”

(Him) well why should anyone believe what the Bible says? Is it the word of God because it says in it that it is the word of God??? Well that’s circular!! Isn’t it???

(Me) that is a great question! Your initial question was why does God punish people for his own incompetence? Where did you get the idea that God punishes people? Did you get it from the Bible? Maybe you got it from other people who got it from the Bible… By the way, I did not claim that the Bible is the word of God because it says it’s the word of God. Yes, that would be circular reasoning. However the Bible is not one book, but a library of books, 66 books written by 40 different authors over 1,600 years, on three continents, and in three languages, written by people from all walks of life. Christianity is not true because the Bible is the word of God. Christianity stands or falls on these three points: the deity, death and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus of Nazareth was undoubtedly a historical person. The crucifixion of Jesus on a Roman cross is one of the best attested facts of ancient history. We have a set of facts about Jesus, the historical person, that are best explained by his resurrection. Many other theories exist to explain the facts, but none of them accounts for all the data we have like the resurrection does. The Bible is a reliable set of documents regarding first century events in Palestine. It contains early testimony, eyewitness testimony, enemy testimony, fulfilled prophecy, and embarrassing testimony, which is a sign of historicity. So we have good reason to trust the Bible, it has been corroborated by extra biblical sources and archeology repeatedly. We have more manuscript evidence for the New Testament, by far, than for any other book from ancient history, so those are some of the reasons I can think of off of the top of my head why anyone should believe what the Bible says…

(Him) I’m willing to go over everything and examine your evidence by putting aside all I know about every point that you brought up. But before we get to that, you have to prove and convince me that the God of bible exists, before you can tell me you or anyone else knows what he says or what he wants.Are you up for the challenge? Just couple of points: We absolutely don’t know who the authors of most books are, there is almost no contemporary records of Jesus time, the existence of one individual named Jesus is still questionable to me, and then we get to miracles that can’t be confirmed. I want to know what are your evidence for all that you claim. But first give me your Best argument for existence of God of bible.

(Me) thank you for being open-minded and willing to consider evidence and arguments! Two arguments for God’s existence that are most convincing to me personally. The Kalam Cosmological argument and the argument from design. The Kalam Cosmological argument states that whatever begins to exist has a cause, the universe began to exist, therefore, the universe has a cause. The effect, the universe, tells us something about what the cause must be like. Since there was an absolute beginning to space, time and matter (i.e Big Bang), it’s reasonable to conclude that the cause of the universe must be spaceless, timeless and immaterial. This cause must also be personal in order to choose to create, intelligent to create such a fine-tuned universe, and powerful to create out of nothing. A spaceless, timeless, immaterial, personal, intelligent, powerful Being is exactly what Christians call “God.” Additionally, biological life, and our solar system, show evidence of design. In 2009 Astrophysicist Dr. Hugh Ross prepared a list of 501 parameters that any planet or comparable site within the universe would have to possess in order to support bacterial life for 90 days or less. The Probability of all 501 parameters being met in a single planet is 1 in 10 to the 311th power! Keep in mind, scientists generally consider anything with a probability of less than 1 in 10 to the 70th power to be operationally impossible. There are only 10 to the 80th atoms in the universe. These statistics give evidence of design. Design requires a designer. Natural selection, however, is blind (has no forethought), and does not actually design anything. I’m not denying that natural selection exists, or is a concept that is operative in our world, rather I’m saying that it doesn’t design anything. It only selects organisms with features that are compatible with our environment, and those features give the organism a survival advantage. Natural selection explains the “survival of the species”, not the “arrival of the species”. There must be a population of organisms to select from in order for natural selection to work. DNA is more complex than any computer programming language that man has devised (per Bill Gates). I am a programmer, and I know that randomness does not generate working programs. If I were to scramble my source code, the program would quickly become non-functional. Software programs come from programmers, from their minds. Therefore, it is reasonable to believe that DNA, which is highly ordered and complex, has its origin in a mind, not from unguided processes. With regards to the existence of Jesus, there are plenty of historical records that corroborate his existence. How many non-Christian sources are there that mention Jesus? Including Josephus, there are ten known non-Christian writers who mention Jesus within 150 years of his life. By contrast, over the same 150 years, there are nine non-Christian sources who mention Tiberius Caesar, the Roman emperor at the time of Jesus. So discounting all the Christian sources, Jesus is actually mentioned by one more source than the Roman emperor. If you include the Christian sources, authors mentioning Jesus outnumber those mentioning Tiberius 43 to 10. Even Bart Ehrman, the skeptical New Testament scholar from University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill says “This is not even an issue for scholars of antiquity…. The reason for thinking Jesus existed is because he is abundantly attested in early sources…. If you want to go where the evidence goes, I think that atheists have done themselves a disservice by jumping on the bandwagon of mythicism, because frankly, it makes you look foolish to the outside world. If that’s what you’re going to believe, you just look foolish.”. Jesus’s crucifixion on a Roman cross in the first century is one of the most best attested facts of ancient history. Again this is corroborated by Bart Ehrman. Those are just a few things I can think of off the top of my head. Thanks for being willing to engage in this important topic! Have a great day!

(Him) Thank you very much for your response. All I ask in return is intellectual honesty. I’m sorry to say that you give me the awful impression that you have never heard Any arguments made against these two arguments that you brought up. I will point out only to a few of many problems with these arguments.

(Me) you’re welcome. I will strive to be intellectually honest! Actually, many of the rebuttals you’ve provided are not new information to me. I will do my best to give reasonable replies to all you’ve brought up.

(Him) While Kalam Successfully modified an earlier version of cosmological argument presented by 13th century philosopher Thomas Aquinas, By arguing that everything that “began” must have a cause, There are still issues with this argument.

(Me) The source of the Kalam Cosmological argument is al-Ghazali, a medieval Muslim theologian from the 12th century who lived in Persia, or modern day Iran.

(Me) However, hopefully you agree that the “form” of the cosmological argument is “air-tight” (i.e. if the premises are true, the conclusion necessarily follows)?

(Him) 1) Has a great special pleading that claims the prime mover is exempt from needing the cause. Because it claims that the prime mover was always there. So if a prime mover can be always there why can’t the universe to have been always there?

(Me) First off, the Kalam Cosmological argument does not actually include God (or a prime mover) in the argument. It just says that that whatever begins to exist must have a cause. (premise 1) Do you agree with premise 1? My understanding of your response is that you don’t take issue with premise 1, but rather with premise 2 (“the universe began to exist”). I would agree with you that the only other alternative to a “prime mover” (uncreated Creator) is that the universe (or the multi-verse) has always existed. However, you yourself are committing the same fallacy you’re accusing me of – the fallacy of special pleading – you cite one more example of something that might “have been always there” (the universe). I don’t believe it is special pleading to conclude that something or someone must’ve always existed. Otherwise nothing would exist. Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz (1646-1716) posed the question well, “The first question that should rightly be asked is, ‘Why is there something rather than nothing?'”

(Him) A mistake that you are making is that you said “there was an Absolute beginning to space, time and matter”
This is not correct.
Our current understanding of big bang theory only points out to our local space time in the matter. I don’t think any scientist would say that this is absolute. We don’t know currently what was there before times zero of our local time. Perhaps another universe ended and our local universe started!
And who’s to say this has not happened millions of times?
All we know is that our local knowledge is limiting to time 0 at the big bang point. Just like every other time, we may gain more knowledge and understand what happened before that.

(Me) Hmmm… “perhaps…”, “who’s to say”. You’re right about one thing, when you start with “perhaps…” or “who’s to say”, you can spin any yarn you want. But then comes the hard part: giving reasons why anyone should take your science fiction story seriously. It’s not my job to disprove your “something from nothing” fair tale. It’s your job to prove it. You haven’t done that. Now, I will give some evidence that the universe in fact began to exist.

  1. The First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics – the First Law of Thermodynamics states that the total amount of energy in the universe is constant. In other words, the universe has only a finite amount of energy. Like gas in a running car’s gas tank or energy stored in the battery in a flashlight, if the car is still running or the flashlight is still giving light, you know that it hasn’t been “on” forever. It must’ve been “turned on” at a point in the finite past. In the same way, the universe still has energy (e.g. our star, the sun, is still shining), so we know that it has not been here eternally. The Second Law of Thermodynamics is also called the law of entropy, which essentially says that in nature, things tend to go from order to disorder. Your car falls apart; your house falls apart; your body falls apart. But if the universe is becoming less ordered, then where did the original order come from? Since we still have some order left—just like we still have some usable energy left—the universe cannot be eternal, because if it were, we would have reached complete disorder (entropy) by now.
  2. The Universe Is Expanding – General Relativity predicted an expanding universe. In 1929 Edwin Hubble showed that the light from distant galaxies is systematically shifted toward the red end of the spectrum. This red-shift was taken to be a Doppler effect indicating that the light sources were receding in the line of sight. What Hubble had discovered was the expansion of the universe predicted by General Relativity.
  3. Radiation from the Big Bang – discovered by accident in 1965 by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson. This turned out to be one of the greatest discoveries of the last century and won them Nobel Prizes. They had discovered the afterglow from the Big Bang fireball explosion, which was predicted by scientists as early as 1948. If the Big Bang actually occurred, scientists believed that we should see slight variations (or ripples) in the temperature of the cosmic background radiation that Penzias and Wilson had discovered. These temperature ripples enabled matter to congregate by gravitational attraction into galaxies. In 1989 NASA launched a satellite named COBE for Cosmic Background Explorer. When the project leader, astronomer George Smoot, announced COBE’s findings in 1992, he said, “If you’re religious, it’s like looking at God.” Cambridge astronomer Stephen Hawking called the findings “the most important discovery of the century, if not of all time.” COBE not only found the ripples, but the ripples show that the explosion and expansion of the universe was precisely tweaked to cause just enough matter to congregate to allow galaxy formation, but not enough to cause the universe to collapse back on itself. (note – this is evidence against your speculation above that “perhaps another universe ended and our local universe started”.) Any slight variation one way or the other, and none of us would be here to tell about it. In fact, the ripples are so exact (down to one part in one hundred thousand) that Smoot called them the “machining marks from the creation of the universe” and the “fingerprints of the maker.”
  4. Einstein’s Theory of General Relativity – this theory was the beginning of the end for the idea that the universe is eternal. The theory demands an absolute beginning for time, space, and matter. It shows that time, space, and matter are co-relative. That is, they are interdependent—you can’t have one without the others. From General Relativity, scientists predicted and then found the expanding universe, the radiation afterglow, and the great galaxy seeds that were precisely tweaked to allow the universe to form into its present state.

In the book “The Face of Chaos” by Victor J. Stenger, a physicist who taught at the University of Hawaii, writes “the universe exploded out of nothingness.”

I would also like to present philosophical evidence that the universe is not eternal.

  1. An infinite number of days has no end.
  2. But today is the end day of history (history being a collection of all days).
  3. Therefore, there were not an infinite number of days before today (i.e., time had a beginning).

Also, look up the argument/analogy called Hilbert’s Hotel, named for German mathematician David Hilbert.

Finally, I want to address your hinting of the concept of multiple universes. You state “perhaps another universe ended and our local universe started! And who’s to say this has not happened millions of times?”. Additionally in rebuttal against the design/fine tuning argument, you state “just because we exist in this universe doesn’t mean if the parameters were different another universe with another sort of existence couldn’t have been.”. According to the Multiple Universe Theory, there actually are an infinite number of universes in existence, and we just happen to be lucky enough to be in the universe with the right conditions. There are multiple problems with this multiple-universe explanation. First, and most significantly, there’s no evidence for it! The evidence shows that all of finite reality came into existence with the Big Bang. Finite reality is exactly what we call “the universe.” If other finite realities exist, they’re beyond our ability to detect. No one has ever observed any evidence that such universes may exist. That’s why this multiple universe idea is nothing more than a metaphysical concoction—a fairy tale built on blind faith—detached from reality. even if other universes could exist, they would need finetuning to get started just as our universe did (recall the extreme precision of the big bang I presented above). So, positing multiple universes doesn’t eliminate the need for a designer—it multiplies the need for a designer. the Multiple Universe Theory appears to be an attempt to avoid the implications of design.

(Him) 2) I had no point Kalam’s Argument points out to the God of the Bible. Is this another interpretation of the believers to use this argument and inject their preferred God into equation?

(Me) To be fair, I looked back at your original question. You said “give me your Best argument for existence of God of bible”. Strictly speaking, the Kalam argument is not directly an argument for the God of the Bible, it is only one piece of the puzzle. However, if the Kalam argument is valid and the premises are true (beyond a reasonable doubt) then the conclusion necessarily follows and thus evidence has been provided that a “theistic God” exists – a god that is consistent with the monotheistic religions such as Judaism, Islam or Christianity. So, in that case, we’ve narrowed the “possibilities” down to 3. Furthermore, if an uncreated Creator exists, and the existence, deity, death and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth is true, then Christianity is true. Christianity stands on that set of facts: the existence of God, and the deity, death and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth. If any of those can be conclusively proved false, then Christianity is false, and I would be golfing on Sunday mornings rather than going to church!

(Him) 3) Also, if Kalam’s argument was any good, Why is it pointing to one prime mover or one God? Why can’t there be a combination of multiple ever existing group of prime movers who coexisted together? >>> (Me) What you’re raising here is the possibility of polytheism (many gods), like Hinduism teaches. Fair question – so, why does the existence of a theistic God disprove polytheism? It disproves polytheism because, what theists call “God” is an infinite Being, who is not contingent or dependent on anything or anyone else for his existence, and there cannot be more than one infinite Being. To distinguish one being from another, they must differ in some way. If they differ in some way, then one lacks something that the other one has. If one being lacks something that the other one has, then the lacking being is not infinite because an infinite being, by definition, lacks nothing. These other “gods”, if they existed, would still be contingent or dependent on something or someone for their existence. So there can be only one infinite Being. Now one could argue that finite beings (or “gods”) exist that are more powerful than human beings. In fact, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all teach the existence of angels and demons. But that’s not polytheism, which denies that there is a supreme, infinite, eternal Being to whom all creatures owe their existence and to whom all creatures are ultimately accountable. Since theism is true, polytheism must necessarily be false.

(Him) Do you see the problems with Kalam’s argument? >>> (Me) No, I stand just as convinced (beyond a reasonable doubt) as I was prior to reading your rebuttal.

(Him) Find tune universe argument is also flawed.
This is the only University have and we don’t have any other universe to compare to if the variables were slightly different. Just because we exist in this universe doesn’t mean if the parameters were different another universe with another sort of existence couldn’t have been.
It’s very similar to the puddle analogy.
I’m sure you heard of it right?
(Me) Yes, I’m well familiar with it.
(Him) When a puddle wakes up one morning and finds himself perfectly contained in his little universe, he thinks to himself I’m so special, this hole is made perfectly to contain me in it….Please look into the puddle analogy.

(Me) This essentially is a rebuttal to the Anthropic Principle (look it up). The puddle analogy suggests that we are trying to explain why this universe (this puddle) exists. Rather, we’re trying to explain why a “life-permitting” universe exists. The analogy would be asking why puddles exist. Puddles can be any shape or size, so that there is no fine-tuning for puddles to be explained. The analogy collapses.

(Me) I’ve run out of time for today and will continue addressing these issues tomorrow, time permitting.

(Him) – Please remember complexity is not a requirement for a designer.

(Me) complexity (e.g. snowflake) may not be a requirement for a designer, but our experience tells us that specified complexity (e.g. DNA, software code) comes from a mind. For example, when you were a kid, if you walked into your kitchen and a box of Alpha-Bits cereal was knocked over on the table and the Alpha-Bit letters spelled “TAKE OUT THE GARBAGE—MOM”, what would you think? Would you think that message to be the product of mindless natural laws? Of course, not. It would be assumed to be a product of a mind (your Mom). Same thing if you were walking down a beach and saw a heart drawn in the sand with the words “Alice loves Tyler”, would you assume it is the product of wind and erosion? No, you would know with certainty, once again, that a mind drew that message in the sand. Final example, the 4 faces on Mount Rushmore, when you look at those, do you assume they were a product of unguided natural forces (wind, rain, erosion, etc.)? Nope, once again, they find their source in a mind.

Here are several ways that we’re able to use our minds and sense perception to detect something is a product of “intelligent design” rather than unguided natural processes:

  1. Improbability – odds of occurring by chance are low
  2. Familiarity/Similarity – think of Mount Rushmore – these are familiar faces to many Americans, also think of the bacterial flagelum’s “outboard motor”, which is similar to outboard motors humans have designed.
  3. Sophistication/Intricacy
  4. Information Guided – when something is directed and created by way of instructional information, it’s reasonable to conclude an intelligent agent has designed it.
  5. Goal Direction/Intentionality – We’re able to see the purpose and intentions of the designer.
  6. Natural Inexplicability – The laws of physics and chemistry do not necessitate its formation nor do they appear to be likely reasons for it.
  7. Irreducible Complexity – Darwinian evolution requires a gradual and incremental pathway to any finished biological machine. Charles Darwin stated “If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down”. We now know that there are organs, systems, and processes in life that fit that description (e.g. the cell, blood clotting). An irreducibly complex system is composed of several well-matched, interacting parts that contribute to the basic function, wherein the removal of any one of the parts causes the system to effectively cease functioning.
  8. Decision/Choice – Designers make conscious choices between options – their designs often reflect these decisions. The Panda’s thumb – the panda’s thumb works just fine in allowing him to strip bamboo. Maybe pandas don’t need opposable thumbs because they don’t need to write books 🙂

(Him) It is true that natural selection does not deal with the origins of life. >>> (Me) Good to hear that you agree about that 🙂

(Him) For the origins of life you need to look into “abiogenesis” , Please look into that.

(Me) I have looked into abiogenesis, in fact I even referenced it in response (1 week ago) to someone else on this very thread. Here was my response to the questioner who asked “How did life originate?”: “The evidence suggests that abiogenesis (the theory that life originated from non-living material [non-life]) is highly improbable. According to Stephen Meyer, the odds of getting a functional protein of 150 amino acids by chance is no better than 1 in 10 to the 164th power. Now consider that there are 10 to the 80th power elementary particles in the entire universe. So, life could not have originated “on it’s own”. Life shows many evidences of design, therefore the most reasonable conclusion is that life was originated by an intelligent designer, who we call God.”

(Him) I appreciate the fact that you’re trying to validate existence of Jesus (>>> (Me) Thank you), >>> (Him) but I’m waiting for you to tell me who was contemporary to Jesus‘s time who wrote about him? As far as Josephus , most scholars agree that couple of lines he wrote about “the Messiah” could have been a forgery. He talks about multiple different Jesus.
Such as
Jesus Ben Ananias “which most likely author of Mark, used to write about the temple story.”
Jesus son of Onias
Jesus the brother of John “who was killed by John”
These two Jesus were priests
Jesus son of Damneus
The most important part of Josephus Writing is the passage in “Testimonium Favianum” Which is the only part perhaps about “ the Jesus “ Is Agreed to be partially or completely a forgery.
Invite you to do more research about this.

(Me) I’d certaintly heard about the accusations that Josephus’s writing about may’ve been altered by Christians later on. Though I’d not heard about him speaking about multiple different persons named Jesus. However, I am very well acquainted with the fact that Jesus was a popular name in first century Palestine. So, that fact seems to corroborate the possibility that Josephus was writing about many persons named Jesus. I’m willing to concede, for the sake of argument, that at least part of the Josephus “Jesus passage” in the Antiquities of the Jews 18:3:3 has been altered later by Christians. For the sake of completeness, let me include it here:

“Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.”

Let’s not also forget the later passage from Antiquities of the Jews 20:9:1 (https://sacred-texts.com/jud/josephus/ant-20.htm) which speaks about the existence of someone named James, who was brother of Jesus who was called Christ. Here is that passage in part:

“…Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he [Ananus the high priest at the time] assembled the sanhedrim of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others, [or, some of his companions]; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned…”

Now, as you state, there are many others named Jesus in this very passage. But the passage above, in this passing reference to Jesus, distinguishes the brother of James as “Jesus who was called Christ”. So, Josephus had to distinguish “this Jesus” among the others named Jesus so that his readers would know which of the many people called Jesus he was referring to.

Additionally, Josephus corroborates the account of John the Baptist in Antiquities 18:5:2 (https://sacred-texts.com/jud/josephus/ant-18.htm), here is that text: “…John, that was called the Baptist: for Herod slew him, who was a good man, and commanded the Jews to exercise virtue, both as to righteousness towards one another, and piety towards God, and so to come to baptism; for that the washing [with water] would be acceptable to him, if they made use of it, not in order to the putting away [or the remission] of some sins [only], but for the purification of the body…”

So, while the 18:3:3 passage certainly contains later Christian manipulation (possibly by Eusebius, fourth century Bishop of Caesarea who is the first person to quote the passage), I do believe that a case can be made that there is a historical core to the 18:3:3 passage that is more consistent with what a non-Christian, Jewish writer would’ve written, that does corroborate the existence of the Jesus of the New Testament. Additionally, when you include the other 2 passages from Josephus that I cited (18:5:2 and 20:9:1), on the face of it, Josephus corroborates John the Baptist and James the brother of Jesus. Two other Christian accounts also confirm the martyrdom of James, even if they differ over the details. Hegesippus provides a detailed account in Book 5 of his Memoirs (Hypomnemata), which have been preserved in Eusebius. And Clement of Alexandria (c. AD 150-215) also provides an account of the fate of James in the seventh book of his Hypotyposes, as recorded by Eusebius (Ecclesiastical History 2.1.4b-5). So these ancient extra-biblical, historical sources do corroborate various aspects of the New Testament narrative. New Testament scholar Dr. Gary Habermas states “The vast majority of scholars who address this issue think that although Josephus’ longer statement about Jesus in Antiquities 18:3 has been altered a bit, the bulk of it was written by Josephus. This view means that Josephus supplies some very important material about Jesus. An even larger percentage of scholars accepts Josephus’ second statement concerning Jesus being the brother of James (Antiquities 20:9). Further, we have to make sense of ancient non-Christian historians like Thallus, Tacitus, Suetonius, and Lucian, who reported all sorts of facts about Jesus. Well over 100 items are reported about Jesus, many by non- Christians. So, to argue that Jesus never existed totally ignores a large body of historical data.”

(Him) Also remember even Josephus was not a contemporary writer to Jesus time. But we can get to that later.

(Me) I believe Josephus lived from ~30AD – 93AD. So, he was born around the time Jesus died. That would be roughly similar to me writing about John F. Kennedy, who died a year after I was born. Could I write valid history about John F. Kennedy since I wasn’t his contemporary? I believe I could, since I could interview eyewitnesses who were alive and adult at the time of the events. You have to understand that to have multiple accounts of both the New Testament authors and the extra-biblical authors, which were written within the lifetimes of the eyewitnesses (in antiquity) is historical gold. Now, the apostle Paul was a contemporary of Jesus… He wrote 1 Corinthians (which is considered to be an authentic Pauline epistle) in the first half of 55AD, so that is within 25 years of the crucifixion. Not only that, Paul was a skeptic initially, until he’d seen the risen Christ, then did a 180 and became the most prolific NT author. Galatians 1:23 alludes to this: They only heard the report: “The man who formerly persecuted us is now preaching the faith he once tried to destroy.”

(Him) It’s interesting that you mention existence of Jesus and his Crucifixion, How about all the miracles?

(Me) I mentioned his crucifixion because it is one of the most well established facts of ancient history. It is well attested (including enemy attestation). You seemed to be suggesting it was doubtful that the historical person of Jesus of Nazareth ever existed. That is why I focused on the crucifixion, and also why I cited Bart Ehrman, the skeptical NT scholar.

So you ask, “How about all the miracles?” My question is, what do you want to know about them? What we do know is that the miracles are recorded in the same early, historical, ancient biographies of Jesus of Nazareth that report his teachings and other activities. I would like to point out that if the God I’ve described exists, then miracles are possible. In fact the greatest miracle of all has already happened and (I believe) we have good scientific evidence for it – the creation of the universe. Can a God who created the entire universe out of nothing part the Red Sea? Bring fire down from heaven? Keep a man safe in a great fish for three days? Accurately predict future events? Turn water into wine? Heal diseases instantaneously? Raise the dead? Of course. All of those miraculous events are simple tasks for an infinitely powerful Being who created the universe in the first place. As C.S. Lewis, the former atheist said, “If we admit God, must we admit Miracle? Indeed, indeed, you have no security against it. That is the bargain.” So, again, we need to look back at the arguments for God’s existence. If we can infer (beyond a reasonable doubt) based on the scientific evidence and philosophical arguments that God exists, then we should have no problem (in principal) with the possibility of miracles. Once you realize that miracles can be possible for the creator of all matter and all laws that govern physics/chemistry, then the next question may be why do miracles occur? The most reasonable explanation for why miracles occur is that God is trying to authenticate his message. A miracle confirms the messenger. That also explains why we don’t seem to observe miracles in our modern world (although there are accounts of miracles – see Craig Keener’s 2 volume work called Miracles that catalogs worldwide miracle reports up to the present day). God was introducing new revelation so he was authenticating that the revelation was from him. Natural laws describe what happens regularly, by natural causes; miracles, if they occur at all, describe what happens rarely, by supernatural causes. The most famous skeptic of miracles was David Hume. Here is his anti-miracle argument:

  1. Natural law is by definition a description of a regular occurrence.
  2. A miracle is by definition a rare occurrence.
  3. The evidence for the regular is always greater than that for the rare.
  4. A wise man always bases his belief on the greater evidence.
  5. Therefore, a wise man should never believe in miracles.

If those four premises are true, then the conclusion necessarily follows—the wise man should never believe in miracles. Unfortunately for Hume, the argument has a false premise—premise 3 is not necessarily true. The evidence for the regular is not always greater than that for the rare. To disprove premise 3 we only need to come up with one counterexample. We actually have a few:

  1. A hole-in-one (golf) is a rare event, but when we witness one we have no trouble believing it.
  2. A lottery winner – we don’t tell the person they have to get the winning numbers several times in a row in order to receive the money.

I’m sure many more could be thought of – highly improbable events that don’t have to be repeated in order to be believed. As usual, C. S. Lewis has great insight: “Now of course we must agree with Hume that if there is absolutely ‘uniform experience’ against miracles, if in other words they have never happened, why then they never have. Unfortunately we know the experience against them to be uniform only if we know that all the reports of them are false. And we can know all the reports to be false only if we know already that miracles have never occurred. In fact, we are arguing in a circle.”

(Him) Again I’m interested to be convinced of existence of God.
And I’m still waiting for a compelling evidence and not hearsay of anonymous sources of translations and translations of copies of claims that was made with no substantial evidence.
And if I may, I would leave you with this.
While I don’t know where this originated from but “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”
We cannot accept claims of miracles and all powerful deity with on extraordinary attempts to prove…
One last thing. Do you know who wrote the gospels?

(Me) I believe that the most reasonable inference is that Matthew the Tax Collector, John Mark the companion/scribe of Peter, Luke the historian/doctor and companion of Paul and John the “beloved apostle” were the authors of the Gospels. I’m aware that our earliest manuscripts of the Gospels do not cite the author. This is the evidence given by Bart Ehrman and others that the Gospels are anonymous and that we cannot be confident of their authorship. However, many of the earliest Gospel manuscripts have not survived sufficiently intact for us to know whether or not the manuscripts originally included titles. But all the manuscripts that have survived sufficiently intact to include any title, do in fact include the ascription to the author. In every manuscript that has survived sufficiently intact for a title to be present, there is a title, and the title links the text to the same author that’s ascribed to that Gospel in your New Testament today. No “anonymous” copies of Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John have ever been found. While it is true that the titles of the Gospel manuscripts we have do vary, they vary because of abbreviations (e.g. “Gospel According to” vs. “According to”). It is illegitimate to assume that variation in the titles of the manuscripts automatically indicates it was added later. In the titled manuscripts of the New Testament Gospel, there are no variations in which authors are ascribed to which Gospels. Although the wording of the titles may differ slightly, the ascribed author never changes. This is significant because the accounts spread rapidly over a large area (e.g. Rome, Lyon, Egypt, etc). It would have been very difficult to get everyone, everywhere to assign the same names to the same accounts if they had been added after they were written. Additionally, the early church recognized and attested to the authors (research Tertullian of Carthage, Clement of Alexandria, Irenaeus of Lyons, Papias of Hierapolis, Muratorian Fragment, Ignatius, Polycarp).

(Him) Obviously I give you A for effort. In this five-step replies you have tried very hard to justify your position . I will respond to all of your points when I get in front of a computer and I can type down my thoughts.
But at the moment I would like to point out couple of things.
You bring up some arguments that even you acknowledge it has nothing to do with existence of God or prime mover. But then you draw your own conclusion and inject God in there. If an argument has nothing to do with God then how could one use it to prove there is a God. Furthermore I asked specifically for your belief in God of the Bible. Your five point responses Is partially acceptable and mostly unsubstantiated assertions.
The fact that you’re writing long responses is just adding up to the quantity of points that I have to break down. But I want you to focus on my main question. Justify existence of “God of the Bible“
Also based on your responses I have concluded that you’re a very smart person person, So I know that you were aware of your attempts to shift the burden of proof And that is not very honest.
Again will respond when I get in front of a computer, but if this takes long I invite you to sit down for a cup of coffee and talk so The conversation goes faster.

(Me) sorry if my responses have been too long. I was just trying to be thorough. I assure you I had no bad intent in piling up all my responses. Don’t rush on your response, it’s ok, we have time. Yes, I think it would be good to sit down for a cup of coffee 🙂. If you have FB messenger, just DM me and we’ll arrange something!

Bible Teaching on Luke 5:1-16

This coming Tuesday, I plan to give the following teaching to a group of about 15 men. The first part of it draws heavily on concepts and content from the book “I Don’t Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist” (chapters 8 & 9)

Luke 5:1-16

1 Now it happened that while the crowd was pressing around Him and listening to the word of God, He was standing by the lake of Gennesaret; 2 and He saw two boats lying at the edge of the lake; but the fishermen had gotten out of them and were washing their nets. 3 And He got into one of the boats, which was Simon’s, and asked him to put out a little way from the land. And He sat down and began teaching the people from the boat.

4 When He had finished speaking, He said to Simon, “Put out into the deep water and let down your nets for a catch.5 Simon answered and said, “Master, we worked hard all night and caught nothing, but I will do as You say and let down the nets.” 6 When they had done this, they enclosed a great quantity of fish, and their nets began to break; 7 so they signaled to their partners in the other boat for them to come and help them. And they came and filled both of the boats, so that they began to sink.

8 But when Simon Peter saw that, he fell down at Jesus’ feet, saying, “Go away from me Lord, for I am a sinful man, O Lord!” 9 For amazement had seized him and all his companions because of the catch of fish which they had taken; 10 and so also were James and John, sons of Zebedee, who were partners with Simon. And Jesus said to Simon, “Do not fear, from now on you will be catching men.

11 When they had brought their boats to land, they left everything and followed Him. 12 While He was in one of the cities, behold, there was a man covered with leprosy; and when he saw Jesus, he fell on his face and implored Him, saying, “Lord, if You are willing, You can make me clean.” 13 And He stretched out His hand and touched him, saying, “I am willing; be cleansed.” And immediately the leprosy left him.

14 And He ordered him to tell no one, “But go and show yourself to the priest and make an offering for your cleansing, just as Moses commanded, as a testimony to them.15 But the news about Him was spreading even farther, and large crowds were gathering to hear Him and to be healed of their sicknesses. 16 But Jesus Himself would often slip away to the wilderness and pray. NASB

The Plausibility of Miracles

Luke 5:1-16 gives the account of 2 miraculous signs performed by Jesus in the presence of His disciples and many other witnesses.  The miraculous catch of fish (v4-10) and the healing of the leper (v12-15). 

Atheism / Naturalism

The atheistic worldview asserts that only the natural, material world exists. According to atheists, miracles are impossible because there is no supernatural realm. According to them, to believe otherwise is to believe in fairy tales.  However, if God exists and created the universe (inferred from many lines of evidence), it is reasonable to believe that He can intervene in the natural world He created. With regard to the Bible, if Genesis 1:1 is true – “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth” (we have good evidence to believe it is) – then every other miracle in the Bible is easy to believe. Can a God who created the entire universe out of nothing part the Red Sea? Bring fire down from heaven? Keep a man safe in a great fish for three days? Accurately predict future events? Turn water into wine? Heal diseases instantaneously? Raise the dead? Of course. All of those miraculous events are simple tasks for an infinitely powerful Being who created the universe in the first place.

As C. S. Lewis put it, “If we admit God, must we admit Miracle? Indeed, indeed, you have no security against it. That is the bargain.”

David Hume’s Argument against Miracles

David Hume was a famous and influential skeptic who lived in the 1700s.  His argument against miracles is one of the pillars of the so-called Enlightenment. Here is Hume’s argument against miracles:

  • Premise 1: Natural law is by definition a description of a regular occurrence.
  • Premise 2: A miracle is by definition a rare occurrence.
  • Premise 3: The evidence for the regular is always greater than that for the rare.
  • Premise 4: A wise man always bases his belief on the greater evidence.
  • Conclusion: Therefore, a wise man should never believe in miracles.

If those four premises are true, then the conclusion necessarily follows – the wise man should never believe in miracles. Unfortunately for Hume, the argument has a false premise—premise 3 is not necessarily true. The evidence for the “regular” is not always greater than that for the “rare”.  Here are some examples:

  1. A hole-in-one: A hole-in-one is a rare event, but when we witness one we have no trouble believing it.  We don’t say to the golfer, “Since the evidence for the regular is always greater than that for the rare, I’m not going to believe your shot unless you can tee it up and do it five times in a row!
  2. Winning the Lottery: A winning lottery ticket provides evidence that a certain person (improbably) won the lottery no matter how regularly that person had failed to win in the past.
  3. The birth of every person: Each person is only born once (physically), which is a rare occurrence.

So, the 3rd premise of Hume’s argument against miracles must be disregarded.  If Hume really believed in that premise, he would not have believed in his own birth! Hume rules out belief in miracles in advance because he believes there is uniform experience against them.

C.S. Lewis again is insightful here as he comments on Hume:

Now of course we must agree with Hume that if there is absolutely ‘uniform experience’ against miracles, if in other words they have never happened, why then they never have. Unfortunately we know the experience against them to be uniform only if we know that all the reports of them are false. And we can know all the reports to be false only if we know already that miracles have never occurred. In fact, we are arguing in a circle.” from Miracles (1972), pg. 105

So, Hume is committing the fallacy of begging the question – assuming what he’s trying to prove.

Thomas Jefferson

In 1820, Thomas Jefferson used a razor and glue to cut and paste (literally) selected verses from a 1794 bilingual Latin/Greek version of the Bible.  He called it “The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth”.  Jesus’s miracles and most supernatural events are not included in Jefferson’s heavily edited compilation.

Categories of unusual events

As we consider Luke 5:1-16, let’s keep in mind the different types of unusual events that can occur:

Take note that there is a difference between the last 2: Providence and Miracles.  An example of providence may’ve been the fog at Normandy during the Allied invasion June 6th 1944 (D-Day): 

It could be an example of providence because it helped conceal the Allied attack against the evil Nazi regime. It was not necessarily a miracle, because it could be explained by natural laws, however God may’ve providentially acted through weather conditions to accomplish His will (similar to Jesus’s death – see Acts 2:22-24). By contrast, a miracle would be something like bullets bouncing off the chests of soldiers as they assaulted the beach, which could not be explained by any natural laws (of physics).

Objection: No Miracles Happening Today?

Some people object, “If there are no public miracles happening today, then why should we think they happened in the past?”  There’s a common misconception behind this question. It’s the belief that the Bible is filled with miracles that occur continually throughout biblical history. That’s only partially true. It is true that the Bible is filled with miracles (about 250 occasions of them). But many of those miracles occur during the lifetimes of Moses, Elijah and Elisha, and Jesus and the apostles. Why then? Because those were the times when God was confirming new truth (revelation) and new messengers with that truth.  This is not to say that God cannot do miracles today, or that He never does. As the sovereign Creator and sustainer of the universe, He can do a miracle anytime He wants.  In fact, there is a 2 volume book “Miracles” by Craig Keener that documents numerous modern reports of miracles.

Q: As you share your faith with those around you, does the “implausibility” of miracles ever come up?

Verse 1

1 Now it happened that while the crowd was pressing around Him and listening to the word of God, He was standing by the lake of Gennesaret

As happened many times in the early ministry of Jesus crowds were around him, and the Word of God was being preached to these crowds.

Verses 2-3

2 and He saw two boats lying at the edge of the lake; but the fishermen had gotten out of them and were washing their nets. 3 And He got into one of the boats, which was Simon’s, and asked him to put out a little way from the land. And He sat down and began teaching the people from the boat.

Simon was a fisherman and owned a boat, which Christ used to separate Himself from the crowd so that He could teach them.  Christ undoubtedly was a wise teacher and many religions acknowledge that (e.g. Judaism, Mormonism, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Islam, Bahá’í, Hinduism, Buddhism, New Age Movement).  However, only Biblical Christianity understands Christ in His true nature.  He was and is:

  1. Uncreated (John 1:1-3; 8:58; Colossians 1:16; Revelation 1:8)
  2. God in human flesh (John 1:14; Colossians 1:15; 1 Timothy 3:16)
  3. King of kings and Lord of lords (1 Timothy 6:15; Revelation 17:14; 19:16)
  4. Lamb of God (Isaiah 53:7; John 1:29; 1:36; 1 Peter 1:19; Revelation 5-7; 12-15; 17; 19; 21; 22)
  5. The Lion of the tribe of Judah (Revelation 5:5)
  6. The Messiah/the Christ (John 4:25-26; 17:3; Mark 14:61-62; Luke 24:13-27)
  7. The one and only Son of God (Matt. 16:16; 26:63-64)
  8. The Son of Man (Daniel 7:13-14; Mark 14:62; Luke 9:26)
  9. Highly exalted and worthy of worship (Philippians 2:9; Revelation 1:12-18; 5:12)
  10. 2nd Person of the Trinity (Matthew 28:19; John 14:26; Mark 1:9-11)
  11. Will return a 2nd time and judge the living and the dead (2 Tim 4:1)
  12. The Creator (John 1:1-3, Colossians 1:15-20, Hebrews 1:1-3)
  13. The Savior (Luke 2:11; John 4:42; Acts 5:31; 2 Timothy 1:10)
  14. Fully human (John 1:14; 4:6; 11:35; 20:25-27; 1 John 1:1-3; Colossians 1:20)
  15. Teacher/rabbi (Matt 23:10; 26:18; John 1:38; 3:2)
  16. Miracle worker (John 3:2; Acts 2:22)
  17. Exorcist and healer (Matt 4:24; 8:16; Luke 11:14-20)
  18. Died on a Roman cross for our sins, was buried and rose bodily after 3 days and appeared to witnesses (1 Cor. 15:3-8; Colossians 1:20; Acts 2:23-24)
  19. Ascended to heaven (Luke 24:51; Acts 1:9)
  20. Is at the right hand of the Father (Mark 14:62; Acts 7:55; Hebrews 1:3)

See article from J. Warner Wallace in resources for a list of extra-biblical references to Jesus.  In the book “I Don’t Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist” (the section in chapter 9 – THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO NON-CHRISTIANS), extra biblical references of Jesus paint the following picture of Him:

Verses 4-5

4 When He had finished speaking, He said to Simon, “Put out into the deep water and let down your nets for a catch.5 Simon answered and said, “Master, we worked hard all night and caught nothing, but I will do as You say and let down the nets.”

Jesus asked Simon, an experienced fisherman, to do something that seemed nonsensical – after failing to catch anything in an all-night fishing expedition, and Jesus said to do it again.  Simon could’ve told Him to “pound sand” – that He doesn’t know what He’s talking about…  But he obeyed Jesus – he did what Jesus said, despite it not making sense to him.

In another Gospel, it is recorded:

John 8:31-32 – To the Jews who had believed Him, Jesus said, “If you hold to My teaching, you are really My disciples.  Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.

Again, later in Luke, He says:

Luke 6:46-49 – ” Why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?  Everyone who comes to Me and hears My words and acts on them, I will show you whom he is like:  he is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid a foundation on the rock; and when a flood occurred, the torrent burst against that house and could not shake it, because it had been well built.  But the one who has heard and has not acted accordingly, is like a man who built a house on the ground without any foundation; and the torrent burst against it and immediately it collapsed, and the ruin of that house was great.

It has been said that the Jews believed that you “do first, understand later”.  This is based on the phrase recorded in the Exodus 24:7: “We will do and hear everything the Lord has said.”

Q: Is there any area of your life where you’ve not obeyed Jesus because it didn’t make sense to you?

Verses 6-10a

6 When they had done this, they enclosed a great quantity of fish, and their nets began to break; 7 so they signaled to their partners in the other boat for them to come and help them. And they came and filled both of the boats, so that they began to sink. 8 But when Simon Peter saw that, he fell down at Jesus’ feet, saying, “Go away from me Lord, for I am a sinful man, O Lord!” 9 For amazement had seized him and all his companions because of the catch of fish which they had taken; 10 and so also were James and John, sons of Zebedee, who were partners with Simon.

Jesus enables a miraculous catch of fish here.  We don’t know whether it was providential (Jesus, in His omniscience, simply knew where the fish were [i.e. in the “deep water”]) or a miracle of creation, where He produced (or multiplied) the fish “on demand” (like in the feeding of the 5,000).  In either case, Peter, an experienced fisherman, realized a miraculous sign had been performed by Jesus.  Take note that Simon Peter’s first reaction was to worship Jesus, knowing he was in the presence of deity, and confess his own sinfulness. 

J.C. Ryle says – “When men are brought close contact with God, the sight of divine greatness and holiness should make them feel strongly their own littleness and sinfulness. Like Adam after the fall – his first thought is to hide himself. Like Israel at Sinai, ‘Do not let God speak with us, lest we die.’ (Exodus 20:19).

There are other places in Scripture, where encounters with the miraculous or divine lead to similar actions – here’s one:

Isaiah 6:1-5 – In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, high and lifted up, and the train of His robe filled the temple.  Above it stood seraphim; each one had six wings: with two he covered his face, with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew.  And one cried to another and said: “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of hosts; the whole earth is full of His glory!”  And the posts of the door were shaken by the voice of him who cried out, and the house was filled with smoke.  So I said: “Woe is me, for I am undone! Because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips; for my eyes have seen the King, The Lord of hosts.”

Verses 10b-11

10 And Jesus said to Simon, “Do not fear, from now on you will be catching men.”  11 When they had brought their boats to land, they left everything and followed Him.

After reassuring Simon (“do not fear”), Jesus reveals to him what the rest of his life will be about – evangelizing the world.  He says “you will be catching men”.  Simon, being a fisherman, was familiar with catching fish.  In order to catch the fish, you couldn’t just wait for them to come to you, you had to go to where they were. After being filled with the Holy Spirit on Pentecost, Peter’s post-conversation life would be testifying of Jesus, his Master, to the world.  Peter travelled throughout Israel:

Acts 9:32 – Now as Peter was traveling through all those regions, he came down also to the saints who lived at Lydda

History records that he went as far as Rome, where he was crucified (legend has it “upside down”) for holding to his confession.    Let’s read an incident in the early church describing Peter “fishing for men”:

Acts 2:14-36 – Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice and addressed the crowd: … ” Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a Man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through Him, as you yourselves know. This Man was handed over to you by God’s set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put Him to death by nailing Him to the cross. But God raised Him from the dead, freeing Him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on Him. … God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of the fact. … Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”

Q: In what ways have you been able to interact with non-believers and do some “fishing” for men?

Verses 12-16

12 While He was in one of the cities, behold, there was a man covered with leprosy; and when he saw Jesus, he fell on his face and implored Him, saying, “Lord, if You are willing, You can make me clean.” 13 And He stretched out His hand and touched him, saying, “I am willing; be cleansed.” And immediately the leprosy left him.

14 And He ordered him to tell no one, “But go and show yourself to the priest and make an offering for your cleansing, just as Moses commanded, as a testimony to them.15 But the news about Him was spreading even farther, and large crowds were gathering to hear Him and to be healed of their sicknesses. 16 But Jesus Himself would often slip away to the wilderness and pray.

This was clearly a miracle rather than providence.  If you remember back to our table on page 3, a miracle never fails and is immediate, whereas providence has a natural explanation.

People diagnosed with or suspected of leprosy were excluded from the community (Lev 13:45–46, Num 5:2–3). Contact with lepers had to be avoided and lepers had to warn others not to come close to them:

Leviticus 13:45-46 – “As for the leper who has the infection, his clothes shall be torn, and the hair of his head shall be uncovered, and he shall cover his mustache and cry, ‘Unclean! Unclean!’  He shall remain unclean all the days during which he has the infection; he is unclean. He shall live alone; his dwelling shall be outside the camp.”

What a horrible life for the leper…  Therefore this makes Jesus’ touching of the man (v13) significant.

J.C. Ryle says “We have in this wonderful history – a lively emblem of Christ’s power to heal our souls. What are we all, but spiritual lepers in the sight of God? Sin is the deadly leprosy by which we are all affected. It has eaten into our vitals. It has infected all our faculties…We are in one sense dead – long before we are laid in the grave. Our bodies may be healthy and active – but our souls are by nature dead in trespasses and sins! Who shall deliver us from this body of death? Let us thank God that Jesus Christ can! He is that divine Physician, who can make old things pass away, and all things become new. In Him is life. He can wash us thoroughly in His own blood – from all the defilement of sin. Let this truth sink down deeply into our hearts. There is only one medicine to heal our sin-sick souls … However corrupt our hearts, and however wicked our past lives – there is hope for us in the Gospel. There is no case of spiritual leprosy too hard for Christ!”  Hallelujah!

Resources Used in Preparing this Teaching

  1. Who Is Jesus, According to Other Religions? By J. Warner Wallace: https://coldcasechristianity.com/writings/who-is-jesus-according-to-other-religions/
  2. The Fallacy of Begging the Question: https://answersingenesis.org/logic/the-fallacy-of-begging-the-question/
  3. J.C. Ryle’s Commentary on Luke 5: https://gracegems.org/Ryle/l05.htm
  4. Do First, Understand Later: https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/do-first-understand-later/
  5. We will do and we will hear (Mishpatim 5780), by Rabbi Sacks: https://rabbisacks.org/mishpatim-5780/
  6. https://coldcasechristianity.com/writings/is-there-any-evidence-for-jesus-outside-the-bible/
  7. The Commitment of the Apostles Confirms the Truth of the Resurrection, by J. Warner Wallace: https://coldcasechristianity.com/writings/the-commitment-of-the-apostles-confirms-the-truth-of-the-resurrection/
  8. Jesus healing the leper and the Purity Law in the Gospel of Matthew: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/269974647_Jesus_healing_the_leper_and_the_Purity_Law_in_the_Gospel_of_Matthew
  9. https://evidenceforchristianity.org/what-is-the-evidence-that-peter-was-crucified-upside-down-in-rome/  
  10. WAS PETER CRUCIFIED UPSIDE DOWN? By Sean McDowell: https://seanmcdowell.org/blog/was-peter-crucified-upside-down
  11. How did the Apostle Peter die? https://www.gotquestions.org/apostle-Peter-die.html
  12. Jefferson Bible: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible
  13. Foxe’s Christian Martyrs of the World (pg. 9)
  14. I Don’t Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist (by Dr. Norman L. Geisler and Dr. Frank Turek)

Analogies about God from the realm of Software Development


As a developer of a piece of software, I completely control its behavior.  The “average” user of my software is restricted to using it in the prescribed fashion and abiding by its “rules”.  However, as the software developer – the “creator” of this software, I may know how to make the software to behave in ways that are not possible for the average user (a secret key combination to enter or a particular login ID or a particular URL parameter).  If an average user was asked if it was possible to perform certain actions with the software, they would say no.  If I were to demonstrate one of these “impossible behaviors” in front of that user they may call it a miracle.  However, since I, as the creator of the software, control the “natural laws” for my software, I can make it do anything I want – even violating the “natural laws” I put in place.

In the same way, God, the creator of the universe (all time, space, matter and energy), has put “natural laws” into place.  But at any time, God can temporarily alter or suspend those laws, causing what we would call a miracle.  Miracles are hard to believe, yes, but are philosophically rational because God is the one Who put the laws into effect in the first place.

Omniscience / Providence / Sovereignty

As a developer of software, I put logging, monitoring and instrumentation into my program.  When a user of my software performs an illegal action, hopefully I have foreseen that this will happen and I put error trapping in place with notifications to the user that they are doing wrong – the program does not just “die” every time the user performs an illegal action.

As a user goes about the business of using my software, each action they perform is logged with their user ID, which component they were interacting with and the exact time down to the millisecond when the action occurred.  At any time I want, I can get a complete “transcript” of a user’s session and activities.  If the user says that the software has not behaved correctly, I can ask them what they were doing and what data they were inputting.  I will certainly be able to tell if a user is lying to me because I have the complete transcript of what they were doing.  When a user commits an illegal action or a performance problem occurs, as the creator of this software, I have designed a mechanism to notify myself that the user is experiencing troubles. Since I’m aware of all “troubles” occurring in my software, I can choose to intervene in the situation by either silently correcting the issue without the user’s knowledge (maybe making a database update or granting special access to perform an action behind the scenes) or to send a representative to contact the user or in extreme cases, I may even directly appear to the user.  Or of course, I can choose to let the user struggle with the temporary issue, knowing that in the end, they will be able to accomplish what they need to accomplish and will not be “harmed” in the process.   The user may wonder how it is that I have this comprehensive knowledge of their activities when I’m not physically present with them.  Yet, I know about their activities and problems because they are operating in the “world” of my software (my creation).

In the same way, God, as the designer and sustainer (maintainer) of the universe, is aware of all “goings on” in His universe.  He can choose to silently correct problems on our behalves or to send a representative (messenger, angel or another person) to contact and help us or in extreme cases in history, He has even decided to appear directly to us.  Of course, He is always at liberty to just let us struggle through the issue that we’re having, knowing that in the end, it will not hurt us and may even improve our character.

Get your own dirt!

Software Developers use a language and runtime environment created by a “higher power” (e.g. in the case of Java, James Gosling – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Gosling) and after having created a piece of software are of the opinion that they’ve truly created something; however, they are just re-combining existing software in new and different ways.

In the same way, genetic engineers and origin of life scientists think that they are creating new and different life forms or creating life from scratch, yet, they could not do what it is that they do without the existing materials (amino acids, proteins, DNA, and all other matter).  Those existing materials were created by God, but these scientists ignore the Creator of these materials that make their jobs possible.

This is illustrated well by the following popular story on the internet:

One day a group of scientists got together and decided that humankind had come a long way and no longer needed God. So they picked one scientist to go and tell Him that they were done with Him. The scientist walked up to God and said, “God, we’ve decided that we no longer need you. We’re to the point that we can clone people and do many miraculous things, so why don’t you just go on and get lost.” God listened very patiently and kindly to the man. After the scientist was done talking, God said, “Very well, how about this? Let’s say we have a man-making contest.” To which the scientist replied, “Okay, great!” But God added, “Now, we’re going to do this just like I did back in the old days with Adam.” The scientist said, “Sure, no problem,” and bent down and grabbed himself a handful of dirt. God looked at him and said, “Huh-uh! You go get your own dirt!”

God does not change, but does He change His mind?

When I write a software program, it can exhibit different behaviors and responses to events, user actions and data input. The program itself does not change – I write the code and deploy it and it may run for years without change, but conditional logic built into the program will cause a different response given different input.

In the same way, God does not change and does not “change His mind”. However, He has stated in His word that there are certain conditions under which He’ll behave differently based on the behavior of humans. Consider 2 Chronicles 7:14: If My people, who are called by My name, will humble themselves, and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and heal their land.

Notice the conditional logic in there? It could be written in java as follows:

if (people.humble() && people.praying() && people.seekingGod() && people.turnFromWickedWays()) {

Also consider the story of Hezekiah in 2 Kings 20:1-6:
In those days Hezekiah became ill and was at the point of death. The prophet Isaiah son of Amoz went to him and said, “This is what the LORD says: Put your house in order, because you are going to die; you will not recover.” Hezekiah turned his face to the wall and prayed to the LORD, “Remember, O LORD, how I have walked before you faithfully and with wholehearted devotion and have done what is good in your eyes.” And Hezekiah wept bitterly. Before Isaiah had left the middle court, the word of the LORD came to him: “Go back and tell Hezekiah, the leader of my people, ‘This is what the LORD, the God of your father David, says: I have heard your prayer and seen your tears; I will heal you. On the third day from now you will go up to the temple of the LORD. I will add fifteen years to your life. And I will deliver you and this city from the hand of the king of Assyria. I will defend this city for my sake and for the sake of my servant David.’ ”

This is a great case of God hearing prayer and changing His course of action.

My point here is that while it is true that God does not change and does not change His mind, He does have conditions that He has promised to respond to.

Verses to memorize for sexual temptation

Good reminders… I have updated this post with many more verses and commentary!

1 Peter 4:12-16

It is a fact of life that most men (and many women) battle against sexual temptation.

God has prescribed the way that He wants His children to live. He tests each of our hearts (not just what is on the outside). Here is what He expects to find:

1 Chronicles 29:17a

I know, my God, that you test the heart and are pleased with integrity

So, to help us along in our quest for holiness, I have listed some verses for you to memorize to help you resist this type of sexual temptation. I have memorized each of these passages myself and have found them to be of great benefit:

1 Corinthians 6:18-20

Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy…

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My Disagreements With The Virus Response

This is a must read! So clear and compelling

Thomistic Bent

What are we to think of the current response to the covid-19 coronavirus?

We are told that the disease is so deadly that it could overwhelm the medical communities’ ability to deal with it. Italy’s medical community seems stretched, and the risk is that doctors will not be able to treat sick patients, causing unnecessary death. So in response, governments have shut businesses, mandated that people stay home, and are preventing people from visiting family members in nursing homes. All public gatherings are to stop, including sports games, restaurants, bars, and any place of business that gathers people.

I am bothered by this response, while many of my friends and family are perfectly willing to accept it. Let me take time to explain why the issues are so vital.

My rejection of the current coronavirus response is not due to being isolated in my home. I am basically an introvert…

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Resolutions in 7 Phrases

For 2020 and this coming decade, my focus areas will be:

  1. Jesus – know Him, love Him, serve Him, obey Him
  2. Bible – read it daily, memorize it, meditate on it deeply, pray through it’s precepts
  3. Purity (in thought, word and deed)
  4. Loving others (family, friends, co-workers, etc.)
  5. Healthy lifestyle (including my food intake and my activities)
  6. Striving for excellence in all work (“Peak Performance” in work done for my employer, my church and my home)
  7. Continual learning (through reading, studying, practicing and pushing myself to my limits in “Deep Work”)

That’s it. By God’s grace and His Spirit, these things I will accomplish.

mid-week apologetics booster (6-13-2019)

Good morning friends,

Here is a random quote (of over 1000) from Nuggets:

The best restraint is self-restraint that comes from the inner prompting of the Holy Spirit through the person and presence of Jesus Christ in each individual life. It’s been my observation over the last 30 years that the vast majority of believers need to be freed, not restrained. Our job is to free people, God’s job is to restrain them. God is doing his job much better than were doing ours. – Chuck Swindoll (the Grace Awakening)

To view more of these quotes, visit:


Now, here are your weekly links:

  1. Responding to Pride Month with Genuine Love | Stand to Reason: https://www.str.org/article/responding-pride-month-genuine-love
  2. No Stable Rights without Intrinsic Human Value | Stand to Reason: https://www.str.org/blog/no-stable-rights-without-intrinsic-human-value
  3. 30 More Christians Arrested in Eritrea Renounce Your Faith or Go to Jail – Open Doors USA: https://www.opendoorsusa.org/christian-persecution/stories/30-more-christians-arrested-in-eritrea-renounce-your-faith-or-go-to-jail/
  4. William Lane Craig: Our Churches have dropped the ball – The Poached Egg Christian Worldview and Apologetics Network: https://www.thepoachedegg.net/2012/01/william-lane-craig-our-churches-have-dropped-the-ball.html
  5. The Most Destructive Idea w/ Dr. J.P. Moreland | Cross Examined Official Podcast – YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB4cUoOUyto
  6. The Legend of Hercules is Epic… Epically Bad – This movie seemed to have many parallels to biblical characters (Samson and Jesus). It looks like Hercules would’ve been the type of savior that the Jewish people were mistakenly looking for – a political conqueror and a warrior.: https://www.crosswalk.com/culture/movies/the-legend-of-hercules-movie-review.html
  7. Hermes and Zeus When the crowd saw what Paul had done, they shouted in the Lycaonian language, The gods have come down to us in human form!’ (Acts 14:11) | Ligonier.org: https://www.ligonier.org/learn/devotionals/hermes-and-zeus/
  8. The good news about America’s floundering morals – Quit booting God from politics, from schools, from venues of entertainment and places of gathering and reflecting and buying and selling, and God will reward by standing ground. Washington Times: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jun/6/the-good-news-about-americas-floundering-morals/
  9. Worth a Thousand Years of Waiting. As of 1979, there were about five hundred known Christians from a Muslim background in Iran. In 2005, it was estimated that there were 40,000 ethnic Iranian Christians (not including ethnic minority Christians who live in Iran). That number grew to about 175,000 Christians in 2010, according to the Joshua Project. Today, the average estimates of Christians within Iran range from 300,000 to upwards of one million, according to some missions experts. | Desiring God: https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/worth-a-thousand-years-of-waiting
  10. Taking the mystery out of knowing God’s will. A sermon by John MacArthur: https://youtu.be/SGnHAqu9Geo
  11. Is Genesis History? Watch the Film Seen by Millions. I watched this from Amazon Prime. It definitely presents a young earth point of view, but it gives a pretty good and convincing view of that paradigm: https://isgenesishistory.com/product/feature-film/
  12. Detecting False Dichotomies that Hinder the Mission of the Church | Douglas Groothuis, Ph.D.: https://douglasgroothuis.com/2019/06/06/detecting-false-dichotomies-that-hinder-the-mission-of-the-church/
  13. Distant Starlight – Under Occam’s Razor – Part 1: Contenders Rational Faith: http://rationalfaith.com/2019/05/distant-starlight-under-occams-razor-part-1-contenders/
  14. Something funny and something serious for Pride Month Running The Race: https://thei535project.wordpress.com/2019/06/09/something-funny-and-something-serious-for-pride-month/
  15. The Vredefort Dome, South Africa – Formed by an enormous asteroid impact during a global watery catastrophe: https://creation.com/vredefort-dome
  16. Holiness and Cultural Apologetics: https://www.ligonier.org/blog/holiness-and-cultural-apologetics/
  17. The Most Valuable 3 Aims of Apologetics by R.C. Sproul: https://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/most-valuable-aim-apologetics/
  18. Christian Evidences by R.C. Sproul | Ligonier Ministries: https://www.ligonier.org/learn/series/christian_evidences/
  19. Contend for the Faith | Ligonier.org: https://www.ligonier.org/learn/devotionals/contend-faith/
  20. Weighing the Evidence – When in dialogue with a Muslim, how often do we find ourselves put on the defensive, fending off the same five or six standard questions which seem to repeat themselves time and again? The objection to the Trinity leads the way, pursued hard on its heels by the disbelief that God could have a Son, followed by the contention that these doctrines were erroneously created by the apostle Paul, and therefore not part of the original canon preached by the historical Jesus.: https://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/weighing-the-evidence/
  21. Do Believers Always Need to Be Ready to Defend the Gospel?: https://www.gty.org/library/bibleqnas-library/QA0144/do-believers-always-need-to-be-ready-to-defend-the-gospel
  22. Gods Rainbow Covenant – During the 2016 Christmas season, Answers in Genesis lit up its full-scale replica of Noahs Ark with the colors of the rainbow. That seemingly innocuous act created a storm of protest from people pushing the LGBT agenda. Homosexuals were incensed that a Christian apologetics ministry would steal the emblem of their movement. : https://www.gty.org/library/blog/B180622
  23. Conversational Apologies – Believers sometimes feel unprepared to share the Gospel with others, especially if we believe it requires a grand theological mind or complicated intellectual explanations. Sometimes, though, the best way to share Christ is with simplicity and humility. Alistair Begg speaks to the importance of conversational evangelism and how sharing Gods work in our lives is one of the most effective methods of apologetics.- Truth For Life: https://www.truthforlife.org/resources/sermon/conversational-Apologies/
  24. Ready to Answer – Harvest: https://harvest.org/resources/devotion/ready-to-answer/
  25. Preaching & Apologetics (Optional Session) by Steven Lawson from Defending the Faith: 2018 West Coast Conference: https://www.ligonier.org/learn/conferences/defending-the-faith-2018-west-coast-conference/preaching-and-apologetics/
  26. James Tour, the mystery of the origin of life: https://youtu.be/zU7Lww-sBPg
  27. 12 Apologetics Quotes from Ravi Zacharias – The Poached Egg Christian Worldview and Apologetics Network: https://www.thepoachedegg.net/2019/06/apologetics-12-quotes-from-ravi-zacharias.html
  28. Rich countries could join Christian persecution list – Eternity News: https://www.eternitynews.com.au/world/rich-countries-could-join-christian-persecution-list/
  29. Selective tolerance Folau versus Rugby Australia | George’s Journal: https://georgesjournal.net/2019/05/04/selective-tolerance-folau-versus-rugby-australia/

“Even now,” declares the LORD, “return to me with all your heart, with fasting and weeping and mourning.” Rend your heart and not your garments. Return to the LORD your God, for he is gracious and compassionate, slow to anger and abounding in love, and he relents from sending calamity. Joel 2:12-13

Blessings to you all

Interesting request

Today, someone who our family is friends with (and is Hindu), was talking on the phone to my wife and telling her about her back problems and her challenges with her job.  I was on the couch listening to my wife’s side of the conversation.  She asked my wife to have me “pray to his Jesus” for her (she knows that I’m a Christian and I’ve shared my faith with her).  So, my wife repeated that to me.  And I said, “Tell her she can pray to Him too!”.  My wife told her and said that she replied, “I did, but He said that Steve is much closer to Him than me!” (laughing).  So, of course I said that I would pray for her.

In reality, my primary prayer will be that she comes to know “the only true God, and Jesus Christ” whom He has sent (John 17:3).  Then, I will also be praying for her well-being in other areas.  But unless she gets the foundation right, nothing else will work – she is building on sand rather than on the rock (Matthew 7:24-27).  Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth and the life.  No one comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6). He won’t be accepted as one of millions of other “deities”.

I must say I’m encouraged though that this friend of ours admitted to praying to Jesus.  I don’t know what her prayer was, but I suspect that she was just praying to Jesus as one of 330,000,000 deities, not as the Sovereign Creator of the Universe and as her only Lord and Savior.

I pray today for her salvation and for her healing and for her well-being in all areas of life – both physical and (especially) spiritual.

Multiple conversations at St Vincent de Paul today

Again, today was our monthly time of serving the homeless at St Vincent de Paul, which is a food kitchen, run by the Catholic Church as I understand it.

I always look forward to these days serving, for several reasons.

  • The Bible commands that we give food and clothes to those who don’t have them (Luke 3:11).
  • I need to have it reinforced to me how materially blessed and privileged I am.
  • I love talking to the other groups serving alongside of us when we go come on because many times, they aren’t Christian.

Today was no exception. Unbelievably, in the three and a half hours I was there, I got into 6 conversations with people I didn’t know:

I spoke with a drug-addicted, ex-prostitute and formerly homeless woman who is now a Christian and who has been clean and sober for 60 days. We praised God for the work that He has done in her life.

I spoke with a young man, who claimed to be a Muslim, about Jesus. We got into a conversation about Christianity and Islam. During the conversation I showed him Surah 5:47-48:

We caused Jesus, son of Mary to follow in their footsteps, fulfilling what had been revealed before him in the Torah. We gave him the Gospel, which contained guidance and light, fulfilling what was revealed before it in the Torah: a guide and an admonition to the God-fearing. Therefore, let those who follow the Gospel judge according to what God has revealed in it. Those who do not judge by what God has sent down are rebellious.

This essentially says that the Christian gospels are the word of God. So, the Quran, is saying that the Bible is accurate. But the Bible says that Jesus is God. And yet, Islam says that the worst sin a person can commit is the sin of shirk. That is, worshiping a man as God. And that is what Muslims say that Christians are doing. After I said that, he actually said, “Well, you beat me man”. I shared with this young gentleman that he needed to know the real Jesus, who is God. I encouraged him to look up a book by Nabeel Qureshi called “Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus” which recounts his journey from Islam to Christianity.

I spoke with a recent high-school graduate from our own church who I had never met. She was serving with us today, and I asked her if she still attends our church (because I hadn’t seen her there for a long time). She said she occasionally attends, and then I asked her if she considers herself to be a Christian and she essentially said no. I shared my testimony that I was saved at age 37, and at the end of the day I thanked her for being so honest and told her that it must have been difficult to admit what she did, while serving with a church group. I told her I would really like to talk about this more at some point in the future, and she agreed and thought that would be good.

After we had prepared all the food and tables, but before the people came in to eat, I was able to pray for the whole group (about 30 people) in Jesus’ name.

My job was doing the garbage. Wall I was tending to the garbage, I spoke with a security guy that I was hanging around where I was and we ended up talking about the homeless problem in Los Angeles, skid row, in the resurgence of typhoid there as compared with here in Phoenix, and we also ended up talking about transgenderism (he brought it up, not me), because of a few transgender people that were homeless and were being fed by us. He was of the mistaken impression that transgendered meant that the person had both the sex organs of a woman and of a man simultaneously and from birth. I was able to clarify that was not the case, and then went on to tell him about “gender dysphoria”.

I spoke to two Roman Catholic men, one was mopping the floor and the other I was separating and unpackaging bread with him.

And yes, believe it or not I did work. My job was taking out the garbage, as usual.

Overall, I would consider it a very blessed day for everyone involved!




mid-week apologetics booster (6-6-2019)

Good morning friends,

Here is a random quote (of over 1000) from Nuggets:

We could put it this way: The shadows prove the sunshine. There can be sunshine without shadows, but there can’t be shadows without sunshine. In other words, there can be good without evil, but there can’t be evil without good; and there can’t be objective good without God. So evil may show there’s a devil out there, but it can’t disprove God. Evil actually boomerangs back to show that God exists.

– Frank Turek

To view more of these quotes, visit:


Now, here are your weekly links:

  1. ESSAY; Science and Religion: Bridging the Great Divide – The New York Times: https://www.nytimes.com/1998/06/30/science/essay-science-and-religion-bridging-the-great-divide.html
  2. Following Jesus’ Example? It’s Biblical: https://mintools.com/blog/following-jesus-example.htm
  3. Luke Barnes on the fine-tuning of the strong force and fine structure constant | WINTERY KNIGHT: https://winteryknight.com/2019/05/31/luke-barnes-on-the-fine-tuning-of-the-strong-force-and-fine-structure-constant/
  4. Pro-Choice Objection: Bodily Autonomy & Organ Donors Coffeehouse Questions: https://coffeehousequestions.com/2019/06/01/pro-choice-objection-bodily-autonomy-organ-donors/
  5. A Great Teacher Can Simplify without Distortion: https://www.ligonier.org/blog/great-teacher-simplify-without-distortion/
  6. Twitter bans Live Action (a great pro-life Twitter feed) unless and until they remove anything about abortion procedures, Investigations of Planned Parenthood, ultrasound images. This is outrageous: https://twitter.com/LilaGraceRose/status/1135732734146428928
  7. Frank Turek analyzes tweets of a pastor left the faith: https://subspla.sh/3476rnd
  8. Universe is younger and expanding faster than previously thought – CBS News: https://www.cbsnews.com/video/universe-is-younger-and-expanding-faster-than-previously-thought/
  9. Paul on the Areopagus: A Master Class in Evangelization (although I don’t agree with Roman Catholic theology, I do think this article is worthy to read): https://www.wordonfire.org/resources/article/paul-on-the-areopagus-a-master-class-in-evangelization/24258/
  10. Think Divinely A Great Falling Away: https://thinkdivinely.com/a-great-falling-away/
  11. Think Divinely Apologetics links and resources: https://thinkdivinely.com/resources/
  12. Is the Watchmaker Blind? – Part II – Logic & Light: http://www.logicandlight.org/blind-watchmaker-part-ii/
  13. What are Western European Views on Gay Marriage? | Bishop’s Encyclopedia of religion, society and philosophy: https://jamesbishopblog.com/2019/06/03/what-are-western-european-views-on-gay-marriage/
  14. God’s providence and the D-day landings: https://www.evangelical-times.org/20735/gods-providence-and-the-d-day-landings/

and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?” John 11:26

Blessings to you all

Trump’s Popularity Polls Climb as Christians Continue to Support Him…Why?

Good perspective on the Evangelical / Trump paradox…

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May our Nation and our people never forget the love, grace, and goodness of our Maker, and may our praise and gratitude never cease. – President Donald J. Trump,National Day of Prayer Proclamation, May 3, 2018

The Christian Post reports that

President Donald Trump signed an executive order creating the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives, expanding upon previous administrations’ faith-based initiatives.

At a National Day of Prayer event held at the White House Rose Garden on Thursday morning that featured speakers of diverse religious backgrounds, President Trump signed the executive order.

“The executive branch wants faith-based and community organizations, to the fullest opportunity permitted by law, to compete on a level playing field for grants, contracts, programs, and other Federal funding opportunities,” reads the order in part.

“The efforts of faith-based and community organizations are essential to revitalizing communities, and the Federal Government welcomes opportunities to partner…

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Should We Change Our Message Depending on Who We’re Talking To?

Paul did change his approach depending on who he was talking to. Classic case in point was Acts 17. In this single chapter, it illustrates the different approach Paul took in talking to both Jews vs. pagans & skeptics. In the beginning of the chapter he was talking to the Jews (and God-fearing Greeks). It says, “And according to Paul’s custom, he went to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures, explaining and giving evidence that the Christ had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and saying, ‘This Jesus whom I am proclaiming to you is the Christ.’” (Acts 17:2-3) Notice how he’s using the Scriptures, which they already know and respect, to reason with them and give evidence that Jesus had to suffer and rise again and that He is the Messiah they’ve been waiting for. He didn’t have to convince them that God exists and is the Creator.

Conversely, in his discourse on the Areopagus to the Epicureans and Stoics (Acts 17:22-34). Notice the difference in the starting point of the message from when he spoke to the Jews. He was quite obviously “provoked” by the Athenian culture of idolatry (v. 16), which he didn’t have to deal with when talking with the Jews. So, he pointed out their sin (idolatry), but he used one of their “objects of worship” to open his talk (v.23), effectively building a bit of a bridge… later in the talk, he also quoted one of their poets (v.28). He drove home the point about “the God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth” (see v.24 and following) as Creator, contrasting the one true God with their “city full of idols” (v. 16). He ended up with Jesus & the resurrection (a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead) and repentance and judgement (Acts 17:30-31), but notice that during this whole conversation on the Areopagus, he didn’t use the Scriptures with them.

So, it is apparent from examining Paul’s approach in Acts 17 that it is legitimate to consider where your audience is at when determining how you will open the dialog. That doesn’t mean the message is different, it just means that the starting point is different. The ending point (Jesus, the resurrection, repentance, judgement, the gospel) should be the same.

Why Does God allow Evil?

Yesterday at AWANA, our Pastor came in and talked to the clubbers about what a Pastor is.  He told them how a Pastor is a shepherd, and that Jesus is the Great Shepherd.  Later on in the evening, one of the clubbers asked a leader, if God is a good shepherd, why does He allow bad people who hurt and kill others?  The leader didn’t have a good answer at the time.  So I went and did some research this morning.  I found a good article:

Question: Why does God allow evil?”

Answer: The Bible describes God as holy (Isaiah 6:3), righteous (Psalm 7:11), just (Deuteronomy 32:4), and sovereign (Daniel 4:17-25). These attributes tell us the following about God: (1) God is capable of preventing evil, and (2) God desires to rid the universe of evil. So, if both of these are true, why does God allow evil? If God has the power to prevent evil and desires to prevent evil, why does He still allow evil? Perhaps a practical way to look at this question would be to consider some alternative ways people might have God run the world:

1) God could change everyone’s personality so that they cannot sin. This would also mean that we would not have a free will. We would not be able to choose right or wrong because we would be “programmed” to only do right. Had God chosen to do this, there would be no meaningful relationships between Him and His creation.

Instead, God made Adam and Eve innocent but with the ability to choose good or evil. Because of this, they could respond to His love and trust Him or choose to disobey. They chose to disobey. Because we live in a real world where we can choose our actions but not their consequences, their sin affected those who came after them (us). Similarly, our decisions to sin have an impact on us and those around us and those who will come after us.

2) God could compensate for people’s evil actions through supernatural intervention 100 percent of the time. God would stop a drunk driver from causing an automobile accident. God would stop a lazy construction worker from doing a substandard job on a house that would later cause grief to the homeowners. God would stop a father who is addicted to drugs or alcohol from doing any harm to his wife, children, or extended family. God would stop gunmen from robbing convenience stores. God would stop high school bullies from tormenting the brainy kids. God would stop thieves from shoplifting. And, yes, God would stop terrorists from flying airplanes into buildings.

While this solution sounds attractive, it would lose its attractiveness as soon as God’s intervention infringed on something we wanted to do. We want God to prevent horribly evil actions, but we are willing to let “lesser-evil” actions slide—not realizing that those “lesser-evil” actions are what usually lead to the “greater-evil” actions. Should God only stop actual sexual affairs, or should He also block our access to pornography or end any inappropriate, but not yet sexual, relationships? Should God stop “true” thieves, or should He also stop us from cheating on our taxes? Should God only stop murder, or should He also stop the “lesser-evil” actions done to people that lead them to commit murder? Should God only stop acts of terrorism, or should He also stop the indoctrination that transformed a person into a terrorist?

3) Another choice would be for God to judge and remove those who choose to commit evil acts. The problem with this possibility is that there would be no one left, for God would have to remove us all. We all sin and commit evil acts (Romans 3:23Ecclesiastes 7:201 John 1:8). While some people are more evil than others, where would God draw the line? Ultimately, all evil causes harm to others.

Instead of these options, God has chosen to create a “real” world in which real choices have real consequences. In this real world of ours, our actions affect others. Because of Adam’s choice to sin, the world now lives under the curse, and we are all born with a sin nature (Romans 5:12). There will one day come a time when God will judge the sin in this world and make all things new, but He is purposely “delaying” in order to allow more time for people to repent so that He will not need to condemn them (2 Peter 3:9). Until then, He IS concerned about evil. When He created the Old Testament laws, the goal was to discourage and punish evil. He judges nations and rulers who disregard justice and pursue evil. Likewise, in the New Testament, God states that it is the government’s responsibility to provide justice in order to protect the innocent from evil (Romans 13). He also promises severe consequences for those who commit evil acts, especially against the “innocent” (Mark 9:36-42).

In summary, we live in a real world where our good and evil actions have direct consequences and indirect consequences upon us and those around us. God’s desire is that for all of our sakes we would obey Him that it might be well with us (Deuteronomy 5:29). Instead, what happens is that we choose our own way, and then we blame God for not doing anything about it. Such is the heart of sinful man. But Jesus came to change men’s hearts through the power of the Holy Spirit, and He does this for those who will turn from evil and call on Him to save them from their sin and its consequences (2 Corinthians 5:17). God does prevent and restrain some acts of evil. This world would be MUCH WORSE were not God restraining evil. At the same time, God has given us the ability to choose good and evil, and when we choose evil, He allows us, and those around us, to suffer the consequences of evil. Rather than blaming God and questioning God on why He does not prevent all evil, we should be about the business of proclaiming the cure for evil and its consequences—Jesus Christ!

Stephen Meyer interview by Frank Turek on Cross Examined

1 Peter 4:12-16

I was listening to the CrossExamined radio program with Dr. Frank Turek from October 24th 2013.  He was interviewing Dr. Stephen Meyer about his book Darwin’s Doubt: The Explosive Origin of Animal Life and the Case for Intelligent Design.

During the conversation, Frank tells about a construction analogy from Stephen’s book.  Reading from the book, Frank says (at about 14 minutes into the podcast):

“At a construction site builders will make use of many materials: lumber, nails, drywall, piping and windows, yet building materials do not determine the floor plan of the house or the arrangement of the houses in a neighborhood… in a similar way DNA does not itself direct how individual proteins are assembled into these larger systems and structures.”

Stephen then begins to expound on this whole idea by explaining the necessity of ‘epigenetic’ information in “building an animal”:


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Apologetics Class 2/12/2017

Yesterday our topic was abortion.  Here were some videos we watched in class:

  1. The 180 Movie (~ ½ hour): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y2KsU_dhwI
  2. The S.L.E.D. Test (total of 9 ½ minutes):
    1. Introduction: http://subspla.sh/cd6e7d6
    2. S – Size: http://subspla.sh/52200fa
    3. L – Level of Development: http://subspla.sh/c03b7b5
    4. E – Environment: http://subspla.sh/469db33
    5. D – Degree of Dependency: http://subspla.sh/fcd0a3f
    6. Conclusion: http://subspla.sh/60e03e2
  3. Trotting out the toddler: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ktPmgBX_FU

Unfortunately, all the people making the argument in these videos are men.  However, there are many strong pro-life women.  In some quick research, I also found this video from a woman abortion survivor to the Australian parliament:


Very powerful.

This was not necessarily a “traditional” Biblical apologetics issue, but it is a moral issue that certainly flows from our Christian worldview.  There are a few Bible verses I quoted in the class, which are relevant to this issue:

  1. Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations”.  This tells us that God forms us in the womb.
  2. Psalms 139:13-16For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb.  I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.  My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth,  your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.”  Again, here we are told that God is the one ‘knitting us together in our mother’s wombs.
  3. Finally, I referenced how the baby John the Baptist leapt in his mother’s womb: “When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy SpiritLuke 1:41.  This tells us that John was a human person – a baby, not just a fetus, when he was in Elizabeth’s womb.

It was a good class and we had a good discussion at the end.

After the class, I was talking to one of the students (a female student who is a senior in high school).  She expressed a few different concerns regarding the topic and the video:

  1. She might be considered hateful by others if she tries to convince them about the pro-life view.
  2. She’s concerned that the woman that have abortions do not feel loved, but rather, judged by Christians – that we need to show them more love and less judgment based on the situation they’re in
  3. It would be more effective to have women make these arguments for the pro-life position, since they’re in a position to know more about the special burdens and trials of pregnancy and childbirth

By the way, I do agree with all those points.  Part of my purpose in showing the videos in the class, was not only to equip the students to make their pro-life case, but at a minimum to convince them personally that the pro-life position is the Christian position and the most logical/moral position.  So, my biggest concern is that the students are personally convinced and have a chance to think through the issues their selves in a safe environment where they can ask questions.  So, I hope that at least watching these videos has had an impact on their personal views.

That being said, I completely understand that it is a daunting task, as a senior in high school, to go out and convince others of that position.  My hope is that the students would be able to stand up and say “I’m pro-life” if the issue ever comes up and will be able to defend their views if someone asks them why they’re pro-life.  That’s defensive apologetics – giving a reasoned answer for your views when challenged, and not being persuaded by the pro-choice view because you’ve taken the time to think deeply about the pro-life view.

I did share with this student the one pro-life video by a woman (15 minutes), who happens to be a survivor of an abortion that she would possibly be interested in watching:


She did watch it and said “I watched the video and it was really powerful and got me to think more about abortion.”

I also shared with her some links to several female bloggers that blog about pro-life issues:





It was a great class and I think it was a divine appointment for this particular student, because she had just been struggling with this issue.

Self Centeredness is Anti Gospel

Philippians 3:8-9. Luke 9:23-26.  John 12:25. 1 Corinthians 6:18-20. If a person is a gay Christian, how would they apply these texts?  If you are not your own, and were bought with a price, what right do we have as Christians to fulfillment in living out sinful sexual desires because we believe it is our identity?  I am not a gay Christian, but I’m a Christian who has other sinful desires.  I constantly have to tell myself no.  Gays say that you can’t understand unless you have experienced same sex attractions.  But doesn’t it count that you have other desires and attractions that are sinful that you have to control yourself to not think about or act on?  What am I missing here?

Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio won the debate against pro-Democrat CNBC “moderators”

Good analysis – lot of great clips!


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The CNBC debate was a debacle. Leftist Democrat moderators tried desperately to make conservative ideas look as unpalatable as possible. Insults were phrased as questions, and substantive answers were constantly interrupted. But several of the debaters shined, in teeth of blatant media bias. The only questions that were not biased were those from Jim Kramer and Rick Santelli.

The best clip goes to Ted Cruz:


CRUZ: The questions that have been asked so far in this debate, illustrate why the American people don’t trust the media. This is not a cage match. And if you look at the questions, Donald Trump, are you a comic book villain? Ben Carson, can you do the math? John Kasich, can you insult two people over here? Marco Rubio, why don’t you resign? Jeb Bush, why have your numbers fallen? How about talking about the substantive issues people care about…

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mid-week Apologetics booster (10-16-2014)

I hope you’re having a fantastic week!

  1. The thought occurred to me while reading Job 38 this week that in this passage of the LORD speaking to Job, you could substitute any skeptic/atheist in place of the name Job.  For example:  Then the LORD answered [Richard Dawkins] out of the storm. He said:  “Who is this that darkens my counsel with words without knowledge? Brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer me. Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it?” Job 38:1-5
  2. Fair Mormon is a Mormon site meant to answer all the challenges being raised against Mormonism.  This is an article/site debunking some of the information on Fair Mormon:  http://cesletter.com/debunking-fairmormon/witnesses.html#summary There is a ton more on this page, but even this summary is compelling enough:

    Despite FAIR’s rebuttal to the Witnesses section of the CES Letter, major concerns regarding the credibility of the Book of Mormon Witnesses remain.  For instance, all 11 witnesses to the Book of Mormon shared a common worldview of second sight, magic, and treasure digging. All of the living Book of Mormon witnesses, except Oliver Cowdery, later accepted James Strang’s prophetic claim of being Joseph’s true successor and joined his church. All witnesses except Martin Harris were related to Joseph Smith or David Whitmer. Oliver Cowdery exhibited behavior that calls his credibility into question, such as attempting to use a divining rod for translating the a portion of the Book of Mormon (a fact which Joseph Smith later attempted to cover up by changing the wording from the Book of Commandments). Oliver was once excommunicated from the Church for, among other things, “falsely insinuating that [Joseph Smith] was guilty of adultery” and for “dishonestly retaining notes after they had been paid.” A letter written by Sidney Rigdon and signed by 84 members of the Church wrote that Olivery Cowder and David Whimer (among others) cheated and defrauded the saints out of their property “by every art and stratagem which wickedness could invent.”  Martin Harris can be regarded generally as a gullible and superstitious person. He joined at least five churches before joining Mormonism and joined many more, including James Strang’s sect, after Joseph’s death. At various times throughout his life, he stated that he had conversed with Jesus (who had taken the form of a deer), that he saw the devil with his four feet and donkey head, that he had chipped off a chunk of a stone box that would mysteriously move beneath the ground to avoid capture, and that a creature appeared on his chest which no one else could see.  Martin Harris also gave conflicting accounts of his experiences with the golden plates. He recounted on multiple occasions, for example, that he didn’t see the plates with his naked eye but rather with his spiritual eye. Moreover, Joseph Smith himself once wrote of Martin that he “gave loose to all kinds of abominations, lying, cheating, swindling, and all kinds of debauchery.”  David Whitmer likewise suffers from credibility problems. For example, after leaving the LDS Church, he testified that God spoke to him, just as God had spoken to the three Book of Mormon Witnesses, telling him to separate himself from the LDS church. Further, David Whitmer, as with Martin Harris, gave contradictory accounts of the events giving rise to his Book of Mormon testimony. For example, he once recounted that the angel who showed him the plates “had no appearance or shape” and that he saw the angel with “impressions.” In a separate account, he wrote that he and the other witnesses had experienced the angelic visitation “while we were yet in the Spirit.” Finally, David Whitmer was also included in Sidney Rigdon’s letter, described above, stating that David Whitmer had cheated and defrauded the saints out of their property “by every art and stratagem which wickedness could invent.”  Given these facts, one cannot help but seriously question the credibility of the Book of Mormon witnesses.

  3. When we fail to answer someone’s questions and objections, we become just one more reason for them to disbelieve. – Walter Martin
  4. The Rosetta Stone, SETI, and the Existence of God: http://apologetics-notes.comereason.org/2014/10/the-rosetta-stone-seti-and-existence-of.html
  5. City of Houston Demands Pastors Turn over Sermons (Yes, the MAYOR actually wants to inspect sermons.): http://standupforthetruth.com/2014/10/city-houston-demands-pastors-turn-sermons/
  6. Skeptics must provide more than alternative theories to the Resurrection; they must provide first-century evidence for those theories.  – Gary Habermas (quoted in, I Don’t Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist)
  7. Handling an Objection: “I love the moral teachings of Jesus but I don’t think He is divine.” Here is a quote from this article “First, since the person already admires the teachings of Jesus, I point to the blind spot in their thinking. First, it is not the moral teachings of Jesus that is the message. Rather, Jesus is the message!”  http://chab123.wordpress.com/2013/07/22/handling-an-objection-i-love-the-moral-teachings-of-jesus-but-i-dont-think-he-is-divine/
  8. Like it or not, Every Christian is an Apologist: http://www.saintsandsceptics.org/like-it-or-not-we-are-all-apologists/
  9. Do We Really Need to Teach Our Kids Apologetics When God is in Control Anyway?  http://christianmomthoughts.com/do-we-really-need-to-teach-our-kids-apologetics-when-god-is-in-control-anyway/
  10. Police Officer Sued For Pitching Christianity to Reckless Driver Instead of Issuing Ticket: http://allchristiannews.com/draft1/#.VDqC1PV-bDc.facebook


Have a blessed week!

mid-week apologetics booster (10-9-2014)

Hope you’re having a blessed week!  Here are some items for you to read and or watch/listen:

  1. 7 Tips on Engaging Skeptics Like Paul Did in Athens (in 3 parts):
    1. http://www.apologeticsguy.com/2013/05/acts-17-bible-study-apostle-paul-athens-1/
    2. http://www.apologeticsguy.com/2013/06/acts-17-bible-study-apostle-paul-athens-2/
    3. http://www.apologeticsguy.com/2013/07/acts-17-bible-study-apostle-paul-athens-3/
  2. Here is a snippet from Greg Koukl on the logical fallacy of the “Complex Question” (e.g. “have you stopped beating your wife?”) from his Stand To Reason radio program.  I made it into a 9 minute 30 second youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW04uJdmm7g&feature=share
  3. This is an in depth article refuting the central thesis of the book by Mormon Apostle James E. Talmage’s “The Great Apostasy: Considered in the Light of Scriptural and Secular History”.  That book attempts to make a case that the Church of Jesus Christ apostatized shortly after the apostolic age.  The case is made, even from Mormon sources, that there is no reason for the “restoration” (which is what the LDS church claims to be), if the Church was never completely gone from the earth in the first place.  I think the author does a good job of dissecting the arguments in the book point by point:  http://souldevice.wordpress.com/2014/10/04/was-there-a-great-apostasy/
  4. Here is a snippet from a book I’m reading “O God: A Dialogue on Truth and Oprah’s Spirituality” by Josh McDowell and Dave Sterrett:
  5. Thank you to a friend for passing this along:  http://calvarychapelahwatukee.com/bible/contending-faith
  6. How Evidence Helps Doubters Become Devotees: http://coldcasechristianity.com/2014/how-evidence-help-doubters-become-devotees/

I hope these help encourage, enable and equip you to defend and contend for the faith (Jude 3, 1 Peter 3:15)!

mid-week apologetics booster (9-25-2014)

Hope you’re having a great week.  Here are some interesting items I found this week:

  1. When It Comes to Ancient Texts, the More Copies We Have, the More Confidence We Have: http://coldcasechristianity.com/2013/when-it-comes-to-ancient-texts-the-more-copies-we-have-the-more-confidence-we-have/
  2. Ten Evidences for Creation (all represented by a graphic): http://www.icr.org/article/8343/
  3. Everyday Virtues of an Ambassador for Christ: http://truthbomb.blogspot.com/2014/09/everyday-virtues-of-ambassador-for.html
  4. These results are predictable, but saddening (‘SSM’ in the column headings means “Same Sex Marriage”):
  5. Stephen Meyer and Marcus Ross on Irreducible Complexity and the Cambrian Explosion (2 hour video): http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/arn-vid-stephen-meyer-and-marcus-ross-on-irreducible-complexity/
  6. How to Talk About “Evolution”: http://www.evolutionnews.org/2012/10/how_to_talk_abo065431.html
  7. In what ways is being a Christian difficult?  http://www.gotquestions.org/being-a-Christian.html
  8. As a Christian, you are a fully credentialed ambassador of the empire of Jesus, High King of the universe. God has entrusted to you the message of reconciliation, the good news that Jesus reconciles rebels to God. That’s as true from 9-5 Monday through Friday as it is for any other hour of your life. When you go to church, you’re an ambassador for the King. When you hang out with friends, you’re an ambassador for the King. When you go to work, meet with a client, participate in a meeting, work on a project, drive a nail, create a blueprint, welcome a customer, or write a white paper, you’re still an ambassador for the King. -The Gospel Coalition blog
  9. A good ambassador isn’t a one-dimensional fact-machine. He’s a well-rounded diplomat, able to present the entire truth of the Gospel to the world. – Melinda Penner

Have a great week!

The Christian vs. the Pro Football team fan?

Yesterday was the opening game for our home NFL team, affectionately known as the “Cardiac Cards” (Arizona Cardinals).  True to their name, they held on to beat the Seattle Seahawks 20-16 in a nail biter that went down to the last play with about 20 seconds left.  The atmosphere was electric and we came away with a win.  My ears are still ringing from the noise in University of Phoenix stadium.  This morning, I found myself waking up and thinking about similarities between being a committed fan (follower) of a football team and being a Christian.

Do I defend my team in the face of opposition?

It is easy to be a fan of my home team the Cardinals when I’m at the game.  Everyone has their Red (or Black) jersey on with their favorite player’s name on the back (mine was a black Larry Fitzgerald jersey).  Some even go so far as to wear elaborate costumes with face paint.  It is easy to boldly speak up for my team in the “non-hostile” environment of the game surrounded by probably 80% Cardinals fans.  Every touchdown or first down that occurs, the fans in my area are “high fiving” each other.  Every ruling that goes against our team, the fans loudly protest with boo’s (whether the ruling was justified or not).  But how about when I’m in a “pluralistic” environment at the lunch table the next day at work where there are Seahawks fans and other “non-believers” who make disparaging remarks about my team?  “They got lucky”.  It’s the “same ‘ol Cards”.  They’re definitely going to lose their division!  None of the experts give them any chance to win.  Will I defend my team?  Do I know enough about my team to defend it?  Can I talk about the players and their stats?  Can I talk about my teams upcoming opponents and why we are positioned to do well against them?  Can I make a case that mathematically, we are still “in the playoff hunt”?  Do I care enough about my team to defend them?  Do we have enough committed fans out there who can defend the cause of our team?

There was a point in time back in 2008, when the Cardinals had made it into the playoffs and generally the commentators and everyone that I ran into was saying that they were going to be a “one and done” in the playoffs. But to nearly everyone’s surprise, the Cardinals won their first playoff game at home against the Atlanta Falcons.  While I was waiting in line at a movie theater later that week and I heard some people laughing about the pitiful, insignificant Cardinals and how their doom was certain.  I found a way to interject into the conversation and make a defense for the possibility that the Cardinals could at least make it to the NFC championship game at home, if we could beat the Carolina Panthers on the road and the Philadelphia Eagles could win their game.  These people laughed at me and continued to mock and disrespect the Cardinals who had “limped” into the playoffs.  I handled it graciously and after making my defense, just said “we’ll see what happens”.  Oh how I wished I could’ve been there with those mockers when the post season for the Cardinals played out exactly as I’d described to them and we ended up in the Super Bowl!  Unfortunately, we didn’t win the Super Bowl, but that’s a topic for another day…  In any case, the point was that I encountered opposition and mocking of my team and I spoke up in the context of a “hostile” situation and made a defense.  I did this because I had faith/belief in the team and I had also prepared myself to be able to give a defense for this hope.  Because I was prepared and knew that my argument was sound and reasonable, I was able to give the defense with “gentleness and respect, keeping a clear conscience, so that those who spoke maliciously…would be ashamed of their slander”.  I was able to give a defense without getting defensive.

In the same way, I’m on a Christian team that appears from the world’s perspective to be a losing team.  It is easy to defend my team when I’m with the other “fans” at Church, but the real defending is needed the following morning at the lunch table at work or school.  Am I willing to speak up when someone pokes fun at my team or lobs out some half-truth or fallacy ridden argument against the Christian worldview?  Am I willing to declare the allegiance to my team – to go public with my support of them, no matter what it costs me in ridicule, mocking, exclusion, etc?  The thing about the Christian faith is that we already know who the winner is – we’ve seen the highlights of the game before the game is even finished!

In order to be able to make a defense of the team, we need to intimately know the team and all the “stats”.  We need to know the game plan.  We should be comfortable enough to give the basic arguments of the Christian worldview so that when someone raises an objection we can counter it with gentleness and respect.  I really like what the apostle Paul says in 2 Timothy 2:24-26:

“And the Lord’s servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.  Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth,  and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.”

Notice that it doesn’t say that when people oppose you, that you keep your mouth shut, “keep the peace” and later go on and pray for them.  Yes, we do need to pray for them!  But we also need to gently instruct them – provide a defense – an answer!  Know what you believe and why you believe it.

Enthusiasm Level

It is amazing when I go to a football game and I see the level of enthusiasm.  People in the stands are “sold out”, passionate and completely uninhibited when demonstrating their support for their team.  Both in the way they dress and the way they act.  They cheer when the team does well.  They raise their hands, shout, clap, scream and jump up and down.  They really like to make it difficult for the opposing team to take additional territory from us –   especially when it is 3rd down and we have a chance to make the other team punt the ball back to us.  On those 3rd down plays, everyone gets on their feet and makes noise.  Sometimes spontaneous chants will start up in the crowd – “Let’s go Cardinals” or “Defense – clap, clap – Defense – clap, clap”.  Part of this cheering is to disrupt the other team, yes, but a large part of it is to show our love and commitment for the team.  The team is playing the game – there’s not much we can do as fans to affect the outcome of the game, but to show up at the game, cheer and show support.

In the same way, as Christians, are we enthusiastically supporting our team?  If we can show our love and support of a football team, how much more we should be able to show our love and support for our Creator and Savior!  We’ve been given the free gift of eternal life!  We have a Coach who has a game plan that cannot lose!  Why can’t we let go and show more emotion in our response to God?  It is very convicting to me to compare my response at Church with my response at the football game.  I pray that I will be enabled by the Spirit to worship in spirit and truth and to give God the honor He deserves.  I love the words of Revelation 4:11 – “You are worthy our Lord and God to receive glory and honor and power.  For You created all things and by Your will they were created and have their being.”  A football team (or its players) is not worthy to receive glory and honor, yet, we as fans give it, when instead, we should be giving the true glory and honor to the only One Who deserves it!  Consider the words of King David 1 Chronicles 16:23-29:

Sing to the LORD, all the earth; proclaim his salvation day after day.  Declare his glory among the nations, his marvelous deeds among all peoples.  For great is the LORD and most worthy of praise; he is to be feared above all gods.  For all the gods of the nations are idols, but the LORD made the heavens.  Splendor and majesty are before him; strength and joy in his dwelling place.  Ascribe to the LORD, O families of nations, ascribe to the LORD glory and strength, ascribe to the LORD the glory due his name. Bring an offering and come before him; worship the LORD in the splendor of his holiness.

And expect that uninhibited praise to our God may invite scorn from others, similar to what David experienced (2 Samuel 6:14-16):

David, wearing a linen ephod, danced before the LORD with all his might, while he and the entire house of Israel brought up the ark of the LORD with shouts and the sound of trumpets.  As the ark of the LORD was entering the City of David, Michal daughter of Saul watched from a window. And when she saw King David leaping and dancing before the LORD, she despised him in her heart.

Commitment Level

At some point in the history of your “fanship“ of a certain team, you may just make the decision that you’re a lifelong fan.  You don’t care how bad it gets, or how many losing seasons you have to endure.  You’re not going back, you’re not “falling away”, you’re committed for life.

If we can be committed, lifelong fans of a lousy football team, how much more should we be able to, as a committed followers of Jesus Christ, be committed for life to our Creator and Savior?  There is no turning back.  No matter difficult it gets.  Jesus said we would have trouble in this world.  In John 15:18-19, He says:

“If the world hates you, keep in mind it hated Me first.  If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own.  As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world.  That is why the world hates you”

Interest vs. Apathy

Some people couldn’t care less about football (especially those of the female persuasion :)).  When the conversation turns to football, they just tune out.  When asked why they don’t like it, they often times report that they don’t understand the game.  It just looks like a bunch of grown men out there crashing into one another – kind of like the gladiators of Roman times.  Or they are just bored by it.

In a similar way, as sold out followers of Christ, people often don’t understand why we are so into this – why we have a “one-track mind”.  The Bible is just a boring book to them.  The Christian life of death to self and letting Christ live through you does not sound appealing to them.  Often times, they are just apathetic – “that may be your thing, but it’s not mine” – “I’m glad that works for you, but it doesn’t work for me”.  But sometimes they are downright opposed to your message.

Imagine Christianity Spreading from Your Small Town

Imagine that you lived in a relatively small town.  According to this article the population in Jerusalem during Jesus’ time was about 30,000, which by today’s standard is somewhere between the population of Kingman, AZ (28,279) and Marana, AZ (35,232).  So, a relatively small town by today’s standards…

In that town, imagine there was a man (let’s say his name was Ralph) who was kind of a counter-cultural figure – very controversial – but very charismatic and had a large following among the people.  This town was a very corrupt town and Ralph was upsetting the practices of those in political power and starting to turn the people against them.  Although Ralph believed in the form of government that was established, he realized that the politicians in this government were corrupt and that change was needed.  These powerful politicians were able to use the media to spin Ralph’s story and sway public opinion against him by charging him with an unsolved murder – a murder that he didn’t commit – to get him to be condemned to die.  They claimed to have physical evidence that Ralph committed the murder.  Although he was innocent, those in power had  control over the police department and judicial process through corrupt officers and judges who could plant evidence and offer “justice” to the highest bidder (picture Operation Greylord-style corruption in Cook County Court system in Chicago in the 1980’s)…

While Ralph is still alive, his followers gave a press conference and told the media that even if they execute him, Ralph had told them that he would not stay dead, but rise again in 3 days.  So, the time comes and he is given lethal injection and is pronounced dead.   His followers are discouraged and when interviewed say that they had hoped that he was for real, but now they know that they were wrong, since he has in fact died, so they’re ready to just move on with their lives.  They feel like they had believed in a lie. His family buries Ralph.  But the corrupt politicians, having seen the previous press conference by Ralph’s followers and the prediction, post an armed guard at the grave and make sure that it was secure and there would be no “grave robbery” going on.

Three days later after Ralph’s funeral, there is a local TV news alert saying that one of the friends of Ralph has seen him alive walking around in the neighborhoods of his town.  More and more reports start flooding  in that Ralph is seen around – in fact, he was seen at the house of a few of his followers and there is a report of him having a rally with over 500 people present (most of whom are still living, though some have died).  People are writing in to the opinion column of the local paper about their encounters with Ralph and even some of the “non-corrupt” members of the police force have documented witnesses coming forward and giving eyewitness testimony that corroborates the reports of appearances of Ralph.  The politicians that had him sentenced to death confirm that the grave is in-fact empty and the body of Ralph is nowhere to be found.  So, the politicians know that their problems with Ralph are not over yet and they have to do something.  The politicians give a press conference and say that Ralph’s body is indeed missing from the grave, but that his followers had stolen his body.  But the media reports that in prior interviews with the followers, they seemed to have given up on Ralph and it seems unlikely that they would’ve gone to the trouble of stealing the body to make it look as if he had risen from the dead, when they knew for sure that was a lie.

In light of the allegations that the followers of Ralph stole the body, the media sought them out to interview them.  By this time, these followers had already seen Ralph alive and were really fired up!  In fact sometime after seeing Ralph, the spokesman for the followers had reportedly been in the city center square – only about a mile from where the execution had taken place – proclaiming to a crowd of several thousand that Ralph had risen from the dead and was seen alive.  This spokesman, let’s call him Peter, said that he and the other followers were eyewitnesses to Ralph being alive.  When interviewed by the media, Peter strongly defended Ralph, knowing that there would be consequences when the corrupt politicians saw this interview on TV, but Peter was fearless.  He and the other followers of Ralph were absolutely transformed – not like the discouraged followers having a pity party that were interviewed immediately following Ralph’s execution.  Rather they had a certain confidence – even boldness – in the face of mockery and persecution for their belief that Ralph had risen from the dead.  And as a result of talking to those thousands of people in the town square, a large majority of them believed the eyewitnesses and now were followers of Ralph as well.

By this time, the corrupt politicians were furious and knew they had to do something immediately before these followers “turn the world upside down”.  They had the police go pick them up and throw them in jail overnight to give them a scare.  Then before releasing them, gave them a stern warning not to continue trying to convince everyone that Ralph rose from the dead.  But never-the-less, these guys were so convinced about what they’d seen, that they went right back to the town square and kept telling anyone who would listen about the facts of this case and that the corrupt politicians are just trying to cover this up.

Needless to say, the politicians by now had had it up to their heads with this non-sense.  It was time to put a stop to it once and for all.  So they brought the guys in now for a real scare.  They told them that if they didn’t stop what they were doing, they would end up like Ralph – dead.  They said they had plenty more unsolved murders that could be pinned on them as well.  But to their surprise, the followers of Ralph were not fazed by their threats.  In fact they said that it would be an honor to die for Ralph in the service of his cause.

By this time, the followers themselves had become quite famous and had gained a following of their own.  Although they always pointed people to Ralph and did not accept any praise or glory for themselves, the people continually followed them, listened to them and considered them leaders of a new movement.  They even had been called “the Way” and Ralphians.  Unfortunately, the fame of the followers did not result in any personal gain or benefit to them.  As had just been communicated to them by the politicians, if they continued to spread this information about Ralph, they would in-fact pay the ultimate sacrifice for it.  Yet they continued to spread the message both by speaking and the written word.

Finally the politicians decided to act.  One by one, they rounded up the followers, charged them with false charges and had them executed.  Before execution, they were all given a chance to recant the story about Ralph, but none of them did.  They proclaimed that as truth until they were executed.  Because of their bold witness about Ralph, the followers continued to increase and the facts about Ralph which were circulating around in writings from the followers were collected into a single book.  No one, to this day has been able to debunk the facts about Ralph and his being dead and rising again…

Holidays in America (including Halloween)

Americans seem to have a tendency to distort “holidays”.  Consider the following examples:

  1. Christmas – All about Santa, Reindeer, Elves, Presents and food.  Not so much about the Savior coming into the world.
  2. Easter – All about the Easter bunny, eggs and candy, not so much about the Savior who died on a cross in our place taking the punishment we deserved and the rising from the dead proving that He is God.
  3. Memorial Day – just a long weekend to start the summer.  Not so much about all of those who have died to protect the freedoms that we enjoy today.
  4. Independence Day – fireworks and cookout day.  Not so much about celebrating the birth of a great nation founded in the providence of Almighty God by Christians.  Why have we chosen to sing the first verse of the star spangled banner only rather than maybe the 4thverse, which contains these words:Blest with victory and peace, may the heav’n rescued land
    Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
    Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
    And this be our motto: “In God is our trust.”
  5. Thanksgiving – turkey and football day.  Not so much about what Abraham Lincoln said it should be:“…set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens…”

Then I come to Halloween.  Is it a holiday?  The word holiday once meant “Holy Day”.  For sure Halloween is not a “holy day”.  No matter where you stand on the topic of Halloween, I’m sure you’d agree with that.  The question to me is whether it is worth celebrating.  Most of the other holidays we have seem to be worth celebrating, even the so-called Hallmark holidays (Valentine’s Day, Mother’s Day, Father’s Day, etc) as well as the ones mentioned above.  They all have merit.  But Halloween, at least the way it is celebrated in the U.S., seems not worthy of celebrating.  The “dark side” of Halloween seems to focus on:

  1. Fear
    1. 1 John 4:18 says “There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.”
    2. 2 Tim 1:7 says “For God has not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.”
  2. Death / Decay (undead zombies who can’t reach the afterlife, graves, etc):
    1. 2 Tim 1:10 says “…the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who has destroyed death and has brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.”
    2. 1 Cor 15:55 says “O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?”
    3. Rom 8:21 says “…the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay…”
  3. Dark spiritual forces
    1. Eph 6:12 says “For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.”

So, while I fully support the idea of kids dressing up in costumes and walking around to get candy (which is precisely why “Trunk or Treat” exists), I don’t think that the “dark side” of Halloween is worth celebrating.

Biblical Reflections on Government

As I contemplate yesterday’s election results this morning, I reflect on what the Word of God has to say about this topic and I take comfort:

  1. Daniel 2:20-21: and said: “Praise be to the name of God for ever and ever; wisdom and power are his. He changes times and seasons; he sets up kings and deposes them. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning.”
  2. Daniel 4:17b: …the Most High is sovereign over the kingdoms of men and gives them to anyone he wishes and sets over them the lowliest of men
  3. 2 Chron. 7:14: if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.
  4. Ps. 33:12a: Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD
  5. Proverbs 21:1: The king’s heart is in the hand of the LORD; he directs it like a watercourse wherever he pleases.
  6. Ps. 22:28: for dominion belongs to the LORD and he rules over the nations.
  7. Ps. 47:8: God reigns over the nations; God is seated on his holy throne.
  8. Ps. 118:8-9: It is better to take refuge in the LORD than to trust in man.  It is better to take refuge in the LORD than to trust in princes.
  9. Isaiah 33:22: For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; it is he who will save us.
  10. Mat. 22:21: “Caesar’s,” they replied. Then he said to them, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”
  11. John 18:36: Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place.”
  12. John 19:10-11: “Do you refuse to speak to me?” Pilate said. “Don’t you realize I have power either to free you or to crucify you?”  Jesus answered, “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.”
  13. Romans 13:1-7:  Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.  Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.  For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you.  For he is God’s servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God’s servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.  Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.  This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing.  Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
  14. 1 Tim. 2:1-2: I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone–  for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.
  15. Titus 3:1: Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good
  16. 1 Peter 2:13-14,17: Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every authority instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority,  or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right…Show proper respect to everyone: Love the brotherhood of believers, fear God, honor the king.

We must always remember that God is on the throne and these results do not take Him by surprise!

Is Faith Just a Feeling?

Evidence must play a role in faith.  As J. Warner Wallace says, at the point the evidence trail ends, you must “step off” in faith.  Faith is what covers the gap between the end of the evidence trail and what you believe.

Yesterday, I was in a conversation with someone who seemed to place a greater emphasis on “spiritual witness” than on evidence.  I asked, “What if you were walking along and found a bank statement that had your name printed on it and indicated that you had a $1,000,000 balance in the account?  Prior to finding this, you had no idea that you had a million dollars.  Would you investigate the authenticity and verify the legitimacy of that document before you started celebrating and spending the money?  Or would you just trust the feeling that this was true and never verify that it was really true?”  Now, as I think of this, there is even a better analogy.  How many times have you gotten an email (or even “snail mail”) indicating that you’d won a huge sum of money or a trip or something else?  Did you immediately trust that it was true based on your feelings?  Or did you rather investigate if it was really true?

Of course, the answer to all these questions is that you wouldn’t just blindly trust, but you would investigate.  We’re not going to just believe we’ve hit the jackpot without having some pretty good evidence that it is true.  In the same way, in matters of great importance like the Creator God and your eternal destination, you should have good reasons (other than just feelings or “spiritual witness”), that the object of your faith is real.  I’m not talking about conclusive proof, but rather evidence that this belief is true beyond a reasonable doubt.

Requirements for Salvation / Eternal Life / Entrance to Heaven / Avoidance of Hell According to God Speaking Through:


Belief in Him:

  1. John 3:16-18
  2. John 6:29
  3. John 6:40
  4. John 6:47
  5. John 11:25-26

Being born again:

  1. John 3:3,5,7

Hearing His Word and believing the Father:

  1. John 5:24

Listening to His voice, being one of His sheep:

  1. John 10:27-28

Believing the “I am He”:

  1. John 8:24

Standing firm to the end:

  1. Mark 13:13
  2. Matthew 10:22
  3. Matthew 24:13
  4. Luke 21:19

Knowing Him:

  1. Matthew 7:23
  2. John 17:3

Coming to Him:

  1. John 5:40

Doing the will of the Father

  1. Matthew 7:21

Acknowledging Him before men:

  1. Matthew 10:32
  2. Luke 12:8

Not disowning Him before men:

  1. Matthew 10:33
  2. Luke 12:9

Not being ashamed of Him and His Word:

  1. Luke 9:26

Losing your life for Him:

  1. Luke 9:24

Those who have done good:

  1. John 5:29

Entering through Him:

  1. John 10:9
  2. John 14:6

Acceptance vs. Rejection of His Words:

  1. John 12:48

Eating the Bread that came down from heaven:

  1. John 6:50-51

Eating His flesh and drinking His blood:

  1. John 6:53-54

Loving God with all your heart, soul, strength and mind and loving your neighbor:

  1. Luke 10:25-28 (to an “expert in the Law” who was testing Jesus)

He who overcomes and who remembers what they’ve received, obeys it and repents:

  1. Revelation 3:1-5

He who overcomes:

  1. Revelation 3:21

Giving half of possessions to the poor and paying back 4 times what you cheated anyone out of as proof of repentance:

  1. Luke 19:8-9

Keeping the commandments:

  1. Luke 18:18-20

Giving all you possess to the poor

  1. Luke 18:22

By your words:

  1. Matthew 12:37

John the Baptist:

Believing in the Son:

  1. John 3:36


Trust God:

  1. Romans 4:5

Confessing with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believing in your heart that God raised Him from the dead:

  1. Romans 10:9

Making a good confession if the presence of many witnesses

  1. 1 Timothy 6:12

Calling on the name of the Lord:

  1. Romans 10:13

By grace, through faith/belief:

  1. Ephesians 2:5,8-9
  2. Romans 5:1
  3. Romans 1:16
  4. 1 Timothy 1:16
  5. Romans 3:21-31
  6. Acts 16:31
  7. Acts 13:38-39

Knowing the Scriptures and being made wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus

  1. 2 Timothy 3:15

God is the Savior of all men, especially those who believe:

  1. 1 Timothy 4:10

Persevering in life and doctrine:

  1. 1 Timothy 4:16

Continuing in your faith, established and firm, not moved:

  1. Colossians 1:22-23

By the gospel, Holding firmly to the word Paul preached:

  1. 1 Corinthians 15:2

Hearing the gospel and believing:

  1. Ephesians 1:13-14

Godly sorrow which leads to repentance:

  1. 2 Corinthians 7:10

Being “in Christ”:

  1. Romans 8:1

Being chosen / predestined:

  1. Ephesians 1:3-8

Because of God’s own purpose and grace before the beginning of time:

  1. 2 Timothy 1:9

Because of God’s mercy, grace, through washing, rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit

  1. Titus 3:4-7

The grace of God:

  1. Titus 2:11

Not being immoral, impure or greedy:

  1. Ephesians 5:5-6

Those who long for his appearing:

  1. 2 Timothy 4:8

Not disowning Christ:

  1. 2 Timothy 2:12

Enduring / suffering:

  1. 2 Timothy 2:12

Becoming slaves to God to reap holiness:

  1. Romans 6:22

The writer of Hebrews:

Waiting for Him:

  1. Hebrews 9:28

Those who come to God through Jesus:

  1. Hebrews 7:24-25

Not ignoring such a great salvation:

  1. Hebrews 2:2-3

Holding firmly ‘til the end:

  1. Hebrews 3:14


Faith / Belief / Grace:

  1. Acts 15:7-11
  2. 1 Peter 1:8-9


  1. Acts 11:18
  2. 2 Peter 3:9

Escaping the corruption of the world and then becoming entangled in it again:

  1. 2 Peter 2:20-22


Accept the Word planted in you:

  1. James 1:21

Loving God:

  1. James 2:5
  2. James 1:12

Standing the test / persevering under trial

  1. James 1:12

Justified by what you do, not by faith alone – works are proof of faith, faith without works is “dead”:

  1. James 2:14-26

John the beloved disciple:

Acknowledging/believing that Jesus is the Son of God:

  1. John 20:31
  2. 1 John:415
  3. 1 John 5:13

“Having” the Son of God:

  1. 1 John 5:11-12

One of the “elders” said this: Coming out of the great tribulation and washing your robe in the blood of the Lamb:

  1. Revelation 7:13-14

Biblical Case for Apologetics


  • What is apologetics (is it biblical)?
  • Where is apologetics commanded in the Bible?
  • Does God value evidence and proof?
  • Are we to have a “blind faith” or a reasonable faith?
  • Did biblical authors provide evidence for belief?
  • Did the apostles use/teach apologetics?
  • Did Jesus use logic, debate and reason?
  • Can God use apologetics to draw people to Him?
  • What common questions and objections are raised by non-believers?

What is Apologetics?

  • Greek word “apologia” means to make a defense
  • apologia found 8 times in New Testament
  • Defense against questions, objections & attacks:

–      From outsiders: atheists, agnostics, skeptics, etc.

–      From those who claim to be insiders: heretics, scripture twisters, etc.

  • Equipped believers can use apologetics to effectively demonstrate that the Christian world view is consistent, rational, and corresponds with reality.

Apologetics in the Bible

We are commanded to defend our faith:

  • 1 Peter 3:15-16 (…always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks …)
  • 2 Timothy 2:24-26 (…Those who oppose him he must gently instruct…)
  • Colossians 4:5-6 (…know how to answer everyone…)
  • Jude 1:3 (…exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith…)

God Values and Provides Evidence

  • Acts 1:3 (…he showed himself to these men and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive…)
  • Acts 17:30-31 (…having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead)
  • Romans 1:18-20 (what may be known about God…God has made it plain to them)
  • John 20:24-29 (Jesus made a post resurrection appearance just for Thomas, the skeptic)

We are not to have a blind faith, but a reasonable faith using our God given intellectual abilities

  • Matthew 22:37-38 (1st and greatest commandment includes loving God with your mind)
  • 1 Cor 15:17 (If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile…) Paul pins our faith to a historical event.
  • Acts 26:24-29 (during Paul’s defense to Festus he says that his faith is “true and reasonable”)
  • 1 Thess 5:21 tells us to “Test everything. Hold on to the good”
  • Jesus tells us in many places to look at His miracles as evidence for belief in Him (John 5:36, 10:25,32,37-38, 14:11,29, Mat 11:2-5)
  • Eph 2:8-9 says we are saved by grace through faith – the biblical definition of faith is found in Heb 11:1, which includes the phrase “evidence of things not seen” (think forensics – a murder investigator has evidence of a murder he has not seen)

Some biblical authors wrote their books as evidence for belief

  • John 20:30-31 (Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples…But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God…)
  • Luke 1:1-4 (…I myself have carefully investigated everything…it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account … so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught)

Paul used/taught apologetics repeatedly

  • Acts 9:22,29 …baffled the Jewsproving that Jesus is the Christ…He talked and debated 
  • Acts 17:2-4 …As his custom was… reasoned with them from the Scriptures, explaining and proving…Some of the Jews were persuaded 
  • Acts 17:16-17 ….So he reasoned in the synagogue…
  • Acts 18:4 …he reasonedtrying to persuade…
  • Acts 18:19 …reasoned with the Jews…
  • Acts 19:8-10 …arguing persuasivelyhad discussions daily…
  • Acts 24:24-25 …he spoke about faith in Christ Jesus…he reasoned 
  • Acts 25, 26 Paul was making a defense in front of Felix, Festus and Agrippa (who says in 26:28 “…You almost persuade me to become a Christian…”)
  • Philippians 1:7,16,27 …defending and confirming the gospel…I am appointed for the defense of the gospel…contending as one man for the faith of the gospel
  • 1 Corinthians 15:3-8,17 – This is a series of apologetic arguments about historicity/post-resurrection appearances of Jesus and then pinning the validity of our faith to that historical event of the resurrection
  • Titus 1:9 …refute those who oppose it [the trustworthy message]
  • Add’l passages: Col 4:5-6, 2 Cor 10:3-5, 2 Cor 5:11

Peter used/taught apologetics repeatedly

  • Acts 2:32 …we are all witnesses of the fact
  • Acts 3:15 …We are witnesses
  • Acts 5:32 …We are witnesses
  • Acts 10:37-41 You know what has happened throughout Judea…We are witnesses… witnesses whom God had already chosen
  • 1 Peter 5:1 …witness of Christ’s sufferings…
  • 1 Peter 3:15 …always being ready to make a defense…
  • 2 Peter 1:16 …we were eyewitnesses of his majesty

The apostle John used apologetics

  • John 21:24 This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down
  • 1 John 1:1-3 …we have heard…we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched…we have seen it and testify to it…We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard
  • Rev 1:1-2 …He made it known … John, who testifies to everything he saw…
  • Rev 22:8 – I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things

Jesus used logic and debate in His teaching and while defending Himself

  • Mat 6:24-34
  • Mat 7:9-11
  • Mat 12:26-29
  • Mat 21:23-27
  • Mat 22:23-34
  • Mat 22:41-46
  • Mark 2:16-17
  • Mark 2:21-22
  • Mark 8:36-37
  • Mark 9:39-40
  • Luke 6:1-4,39
  • Luke 11:11-20
  • Luke 13:10-17
  • Luke 14:1-6
  • Luke 20:1-8
  • Luke 20:23-25
  • John 5:39-40
  • John 5:46-47
  • John 10:24-39
  • John 12:7
  • John 13:8-10,19
  • John 14:5-11
  • John 14:28-29
  • John 15:18-25
  • John 18:33-37
  • John 20:24-29
  • John 21:22

Let’s look at a few examples

  • Mat 12:22-28 – Jesus is defending Himself against those who say He is casting about demons by Beelzebub
  • Mat 21:23-27 – Jesus is defending Himself against the chief priests and elders when they asked Him by what authority He was acting.
  • Luke 13:10-17 – Jesus is defending Himself against the synagogue ruler when He healed a woman on the Sabbath.  The end result was that (v17) “…all his opponents were humiliated…”

God can use apologetics to draw people to Him

  • God grew the early church using apologetic arguments of the apostles:

–      Acts 1:15=~120

–      Acts 2:41=~3,000 (after Peter’s sermon in Acts 2:14-40)

–      Acts 4:4=~5,000 (after Peter’s miracle in Acts 3:6-10 and following sermon in Acts 3:12-26)

  • Blind faith was not being preached during those sermons

Common Questions/Objections

  • What evidence is there to believe that God exists? (Rom 1:20, Ps. 19:1-3)
  • Are there non-biblical accounts that confirm that Jesus existed? (e.g. Josephus, Tacitus, Pliny, etc)
  • What evidence is there for the resurrection? (1 Cor 15:3-8 and F.E.A.T.)
  • Did Jesus actually claim to be God? (John 10:30-33)
  • What evidence is there that the Bible is God’s word (and by implication other “scriptures” are not God’s word)? (Is. 53, Is. 7:14, Zech. 9:9;12:10, Micah 5:2, etc)
  • If God is good and all powerful, why is there evil and suffering in this world?


  • Apologetics is not unbiblical
  • Apologetics is commanded
  • Apologetics is not only for some, but commanded for all
  • God can use apologetics to draw people to Him
  • Blind faith is not encouraged in the Bible, but reasonable faith

If you don’t tell your children what to believe, someone else will

“It is a fool who says. ‘I do not tell my children what to believe’, because if you don’t, someone else will.  The drug addicts are commanding your children and your children are obeying.  The lust mongers are commanding your daughters and your daughters are obeying.  For God’s sake YOU command something!” – Dr. Tony Evans, Portrait of a Real Man Part 1, Portrait of a Real Man Part 2, Portrait of a Real Man Part 3